CA BRN sending me to go back school.

westcoastguy · Jul 21, 2013

will take LVN then I will try other state:(

Yeah me too same here. I'm planning to take RN in other state once I got RN in other state thats the time I'm gonna go to school here. Whether ADN or BSN or MSN I dont know what do you think?

steppybay · Jul 21, 2013

Yeah me too same here. I'm planning to take RN in other state once I got RN in other state thats the time I'm gonna go to school here. Whether ADN or BSN or MSN I dont know what do you think?

Did you read and click on the previous topic I posted earlier on this thread? If you're willing to go to another state, why not just go do what the other poster's method did to get her ATT in CA recently? In fact, there's another poster on the same thread who's friends also all got their ATT's in CA and soon to take the NCLEX-RN.

Yes, the LVN-RN program route is an option, but just know you're competing with the local students via wait listings (some 2-3-4 years to sit it out with no guarantees of being enrolled), a couple have lotteries (but you need to qualify with a lot of previous testings of math and English), suggest reading the CA Nursing Program section, there's plenty of good information there.

westcoastguy · Jul 21, 2013

Did you read and click on the previous topic I posted earlier on this thread? If you're willing to go to another state, why not just go do what the other poster's method did to get her ATT in CA recently? In fact, there's another poster on the same thread who's friends also all got their ATT's in CA and soon to take the NCLEX-RN.
Yes, the LVN-RN program route is an option, but just know you're competing with the local students via wait listings (some 2-3-4 years to sit it out with no guarantees of being enrolled), a couple have lotteries (but you need to qualify with a lot of previous testings of math and English), suggest reading the CA Nursing Program section, there's plenty of good information there.

I understand your point steppy.. Their situation is different to my situation. BRN is asking me to complete and enroll in a RN program not only the MS and OB thats why Im so worried coz I dont know what to do.

Those people were ask to complete their MS and OB but me? BRN is telling me to go to school and finish the RN program, whether the school director will decrease my subjects or give consideration coz I have BSN in our country right?

Still I need to go to school to finish the RN program not only MS and OB but RN program thats the BRN told to my letter

steppybay · Jul 21, 2013

I understand your point steppy.. Their situation is different to my situation. BRN is asking me to complete and enroll in a RN program not only the MS and OB thats why Im so worried coz I dont know what to do.
Those people were ask to complete their MS and OB but me? BRN is telling me to go to school and finish the RN program, whether the school director will decrease my subjects or give consideration coz I have BSN in our country right?
Still I need to go to school to finish the RN program not only MS and OB but RN program thats the BRN told to my letter

Ahh, okay, but a few more questions:

(a). Did you and your classmates all or the ones you're comparing CA BRN letters with are from the same exact graduating class, same exact schools, took same courses together?

(b). I would e-mail your evaluator for better clarification on your letter and simply write that your letter is way different in the settling of the deficiencies: your's says take the whole entire RN program again versus just need to make the 1-2 courses. If still not getting a good reply, then you should file for an appeal.

steppybay · Jul 22, 2013

Yeah me too same here. I'm planning to take RN in other state once I got RN in other state thats the time I'm gonna go to school here. Whether ADN or BSN or MSN I dont know what do you think?

You know in a way, it's a blessing in disguise to take the courses in another state and get the RN there. I'm not 100% sure, but if you're given a new graduation date/year of 2013, you're technically considered a "new grad". As many jobs that advertises "new grad" programs means one must have graduated from the school and applying to these new grad positions within one year of the graduation date/year, not the year one passes the NCLEX.

Again, I'm not sure if going this route "resets" the new grad time clock?

Here's a thread on why so many kabayans on the job hunt are not getting return calls, no interest in their resumes, etc, besides that most places are preferring to hire only those that had their education in the USA. So many foreign students and nurses think that passing the NCLEX exams makes them new grads but in reality, by the time, we have gone thru the application process (be it CA or TX or FL or any of the states), the one year period has or shortly will expire to qualify as a "new grad.

Instead, the majority are considered "old-new grads" or stale dated grads, but of course, that's always going to be a few that gets thru for some reason or another, but the statistics are pretty low.

Here's the information on foreign new grad status: https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/new-grad-status-702252.html

westcoastguy · Jul 23, 2013

You know in a way, it's a blessing in disguise to take the courses in another state and get the RN there. I'm not 100% sure, but if you're given a new graduation date/year of 2013, you're technically considered a "new grad". As many jobs that advertises "new grad" programs means one must have graduated from the school and applying to these new grad positions within one year of the graduation date/year, not the year one passes the NCLEX.
Again, I'm not sure if going this route "resets" the new grad time clock?
Here's a thread on why so many kabayans on the job hunt are not getting return calls, no interest in their resumes, etc, besides that most places are preferring to hire only those that had their education in the USA. So many foreign students and nurses think that passing the NCLEX exams makes them new grads but in reality, by the time, we have gone thru the application process (be it CA or TX or FL or any of the states), the one year period has or shortly will expire to qualify as a "new grad.
Instead, the majority are considered "old-new grads" or stale dated grads, but of course, that's always going to be a few that gets thru for some reason or another, but the statistics are pretty low.
Here's the information on foreign new grad status: https://allnurses.com/nurse-registration/new-grad-status-702252.html

I see thank you for the info. So putting my clinical rotation in my resume is not advisable??

I graduated in our countey year 2009 and just came here in US sept 2011 and passed my nclex LVN here in Cali last amy 2013

So it means Im so behind now?

steppybay · Jul 23, 2013

I see thank you for the info. So putting my clinical rotation in my resume is not advisable??
I graduated in our countey year 2009 and just came here in US sept 2011 and passed my nclex LVN here in Cali last amy 2013
So it means Im so behind now?

I don't think it hurts or helps the resume on letting a manager or hiring person who reads them as they know as a new grad student, it's assumed that everyone already has them in their pocket, but it's not actual paid working experience.

I'm referring that since you graduated in 2009, you would be in much stronger position to considered to be a "new grad" applying for the majority of new grad postings , had you been applying before your 2010 year calendar month expired. So in that respect, yes, you are "so behind now". There's a fresher batch of new students also going after the same job you are and all those float to the top of the process.

If you read the other States' Nursing forums, you'll find many US educated students who get rejected from the application process, once either someone in person or by the on-line system, sees that you graduated more than the one year allotment period, you're placed in the "old grad" pile of applications. Remember that it's not unusual in CA to read of others finding out or simply knowing from past applicants postings that theirs literally 100's if not 1,000's of applicants going after 1% of the available job openings.

Now of course, this applies more to the jobs within the hospital setting, not the nursing homes, LTC, SNF, clinics, dialysis, doctor's offices, which I always say it's okay if that's what you want as a nursing job, but different if you want to work in the ER, L&D, NICU, PICU, OR and the more specialized depts. of a hospital.

That's one reason why CA unemployment rate of CA new grads is near 50%: not enough jobs, too many qualified nurses. It's all posted on the CA BRN newsletter and files.

Just like the link mentioned above about the "new grad status as it relates to international students", just about every foreign nurse from CA to ME (coast to coast) by the time, they get the final approval (all the course evaluations, any if at all, the English exams, etc) to take the ATT and hope they pass it the very first time (no repeats), the one year new grad status for them has been used up or just about to run out of time.

There are a few lucky ones here that posted they got a job, but so far, not in CA recently, but out of state. So don't give up, just know when you don't get any calls or not asked to be interviewed that's partly why it's probably happening.

But you never know and might be one of the lucky ones.

westcoastguy · Jul 23, 2013

I don't think it hurts or helps the resume on letting a manager or hiring person who reads them as they know as a new grad student, it's assumed that everyone already has them in their pocket, but it's not actual paid working experience.
I'm referring that since you graduated in 2009, you would be in much stronger position to considered to be a "new grad" applying for the majority of new grad postings , had you been applying before your 2010 year calendar month expired. So in that respect, yes, you are "so behind now". There's a fresher batch of new students also going after the same job you are and all those float to the top of the process.
If you read the other States' Nursing forums, you'll find many US educated students who get rejected from the application process, once either someone in person or by the on-line system, sees that you graduated more than the one year allotment period, you're placed in the "old grad" pile of applications. Remember that it's not unusual in CA to read of others finding out or simply knowing from past applicants postings that theirs literally 100's if not 1,000's of applicants going after 1% of the available job openings.
Now of course, this applies more to the jobs within the hospital setting, not the nursing homes, LTC, SNF, clinics, dialysis, doctor's offices, which I always say it's okay if that's what you want as a nursing job, but different if you want to work in the ER, L&D, NICU, PICU, OR and the more specialized depts. of a hospital.
That's one reason why CA unemployment rate of CA new grads is near 50%: not enough jobs, too many qualified nurses. It's all posted on the CA BRN newsletter and files.
Just like the link mentioned above about the "new grad status as it relates to international students", just about every foreign nurse from CA to ME (coast to coast) by the time, they get the final approval (all the course evaluations, any if at all, the English exams, etc) to take the ATT and hope they pass it the very first time (no repeats), the one year new grad status for them has been used up or just about to run out of time.
There are a few lucky ones here that posted they got a job, but so far, not in CA recently, but out of state. So don't give up, just know when you don't get any calls or not asked to be interviewed that's partly why it's probably happening.
But you never know and might be one of the lucky ones.

Thanks very well said yet Im still sad

johnybhoi24 · Jul 24, 2013

As of now my plan is to appeal on BRN's decision since I studied and been working as LVN here in Calif

westcoastguy · Jul 25, 2013

As of now my plan is to appeal on BRN's decision since I studied and been working as LVN here in Calif

Why appeal? i see you studied already I mean you finished our concurrency (MS and OB) or you still studying?

Congats! Atleast youre working now as lvn. Me? Im still looking for a job

johnybhoi24 · Jul 25, 2013

No my analyst told me to study and finished MSN to be eligible for licensure

I studied and became Lvn here in CA

That's why I wanted to appeal it coz it said on their regulations that if you're Lvn the board shall not require more than 30units to be eligible for licensure.

And obviously my Philippines Bsn are more than these requirements

westcoastguy · Jul 25, 2013

No my analyst told me to study and finished MSN to be eligible for licensure
I studied and became Lvn here in CA
That's why I wanted to appeal it coz it said on their regulations that if you're Lvn the board shall not require more than 30units to be eligible for licensure.
And obviously my Philippines Bsn are more than these requirements

I see s yours is different story too hah... My analyst just said go finish RN program whether all the subjects or lesser subjects that I will take in the rn program. Thats why I dont know if what Im gonna do..

For now Im juat looking forward to work as lvn and just figure out going back to school later on.