BSN! Ya HOO!

[Sheri257]

I think BSNs are great. But, strangely enough, the BSN program in my area has, on average, a 10 percent lower NCLEX pass rate than the ADN program. I wonder if it's the same elsewhere, but I haven't been able to find anything.

[iliel]

Originally posted by lizz

I think BSNs are great. But, strangely enough, the BSN program in my area has, on average, a 10 percent lower NCLEX pass rate than the ADN program. I wonder if it's the same elsewhere, but I haven't been able to find anything.

the same is true here, so I trasfered to the ADN, I want to pass that test!

[sharann, BSN, RN]

I am a ADN who is starting on a RN-BSN. I think the AACN is self-promoting as Smilingblueeyes said. I would also hasten a guess that these docorally prepared nurses who support/run these studies have npt touched a patient for years. I would also challenge them in that if they were critically ill or injured, who would THEY prefert to be their nurse? The ADN with 10 solid years nursing and great skills, or the new grad BSN or MSN who has inserted one IV in clinicals?

The original poster is new here and may not be aware of the strong emotions and such that this topic brings. I am thrilled that you are pursuing a degree, but you really don't have a clue, and either do those whose study you cited. ITs acedemic politics. We pass the same baord exam..nuff said.

[unknown99, BSN, RN]

I have never had anything bad to say to anyone on this site, and that is not how I intend my next statement to seem....

It is that the person who posted this thread seems to me to think that ADN's are not real nurses. Well, just so you know, the majority of nurses that are out there on the floors taking care of you or your family member in their time of illness or injury are ADN's, and most are the best nurses also!!! While I agree that BSN is a great level of RN, the hospitals/ nursing staff count on the ADN RN to do the job. :p

[fab4fan]

Tell ya what, OP...we inferior nurses will just sit back and let you and your exalted peers make your way on the floors.

God forbid all that superiority get tainted by lower class nurses like ADNs/diploma nurses.

Grow up, graduate, get a taste of the real world!

[Erin RN]

Aothough I hate this topic I just have to jump in :). I am an ADN and although I am no longer at the bedside (I do Workers comp case management and legal nurse consulting now) I would challenge those that ran the study to put a new BSN beside me in the ER where I last did bedside nursing...I would guess that the patient would do much better with me (13 yrs exp, ACLS, ENPC and TNCC) then the BSN. Sorry don't buy it!! Experience and continued specialized learning make the nurse not the ADN or BSN. I have no desire to go for the BSN, that does not mean I don't intend to further my career by obtaining my CLCP and CCM. I have always thought I might like to get my bachelors but it makes literally no sense to me to back to school to learn the career I have been doing for the last 13 yrs..I may go for something which would augment my RN but I have yet to figure out what that might be..Please do not discount my education or make it sound as if I am "less than" because I don't have the BSN after my name. I have worked very hard to get to where I am at and I really don't appreciate someone with absolutley no experience stating that me being at the bedside puts my patients at a higher mortality risk...!! Erin

[iliel]

Originally posted by fab4fan

Tell ya what, OP...we inferior nurses will just sit back and let you and your exalted peers make your way on the floors.

God forbid all that superiority get tainted by lower class nurses like ADNs/diploma nurses.

Grow up, graduate, get a taste of the real world!

I'm not sure that the poster was trying to insult anyone, and maybe we should take some time and educate him or her.

I think telling him/her to grow up is a little harsh and uncalled for.

[unknown99, BSN, RN]

Fab4fan,

I love your reply!!! I think you are right on it!!! I agree with you 100%

[fab4fan]

I don't think it was bad or uncalled for...she put it out there, so she needs to take any fallout that results.

I am sooooooooo tired of student nurses coming on the board and saying how things "should be."

I still say,grow up, graduate, then see who orients you, who takes the time to get you familiar with the job. What are these BSN's going to do when they graduate...refuse to be precepted by anyone without a BSN?

Grow up, graduate, and work as a real nurse for a while before you spout off on something you obviously know nothing about. There is plenty of controversy over the Aiken study, and typically, naive students in BSN programs take it as gospel without looking at any other studies.

And I'd check that superior attitude at the door if and when you do graduate. Pull that crap on a staff nurse with plenty of expertise, and you will have a world of trouble with orientation. Nurses love to teach students, but a student with a haughty attitude is going to find herself with less support (but hey, you know so much anyway, you don't need a lowly ADN/diploma nurse).

[iliel]

Originally posted by fab4fan

I don't think it was bad or uncalled for...she put it out there, so she needs to take any fallout that results.

I am sooooooooo tired of student nurses coming on the board and saying how things "should be."

I still say,grow up, graduate, then see who orients you, who takes the time to get you familiar with the job. What are these BSN's going to do when they graduate...refuse to be precepted by anyone without a BSN?

Grow up, graduate, and work as a real nurse for a while before you spout off on something you obviously know nothing about. There is plenty of controversy over the Aiken study, and typically, naive students in BSN programs take it as gospel without looking at any other studies.

And I'd check that superior attitude at the door if and when you do graduate. Pull that crap on a staff nurse with plenty of expertise, and you will have a world of trouble with orientation. Nurses love to teach students, but a student with a haughty attitude is going to find herself with less support (but hey, you know so much anyway, you don't need a lowly ADN/diploma nurse).

I see your point, but I also think you need to check your attitude at the door. There are better ways to put things.

I totaly agree that ADN's and BSN are equal but when you starting giving attitude to the OP who's 1) young, 2) a new student and may not understand how sensitive the issue is and you rip them a new one, then you make your self look bad.

If you take the time to explain your reasons instead of giving attitude then maybe the OP will see your point of view.

The OP probably hasn't posted and is affraid of what he/she might hear, I wouldn't want to post either.

[Sheri257]

I'm willing to believe that BSNs can make more of a difference.

But after reading this study again, I don't think they make the case.

The hospitals with more ADNs also had bigger case loads than the hospitals with more BSNs. (Patient ratios of 6.5 versus 5.2, respectively)

That alone could account for the slightly higher mortality rate (5 percent), rather than the education level of nursing staff.

[fab4fan]

Sorry, illel, but I have personally had it with these kinds of posts.

If she believes so strongly in her superiority, she should have no problem defending herself.

And I still maintain that the attitudes like the ones the OP expressed are exactly why these grads sometimes have a hard time in the beginning, and why they may see staff as being less than helpful.

Aiken's study did not take into account whether the BSN's were nurses who started out as diploma/ADN nurses, or whether they were nurses who went the straight BSN track. I have a hunch which one it is.

I've precepted more than my share of new grads, gladly, but I'm not going to tolerate the attitude the OP had.

That is why I am saying she needs to grow up...she doesn't know anything about the real world of nursing, so she really shouldn't be proffering an opinion from exalted heights.