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It is my firm belief that the minimum requirement for nursing should be a BSN. We want to be accepted as a profession, yet we allow 2 year programs to dominate the field. Now I went to a 2 year program and will be finishing my BSN this semester. My school did a great job preparing me for "tasks" of nursing, but oh, it is so much more than that. Many other countries have moved or are moving towards 4yr degree minimums and the US needs to stay atop in this competative field. The nursing shortage will not always be here and it is to your advantage to get your degree now. The 2 yr programs will make a great footstep in the years to come, but the 4yr degree will become the RNs of the future. As nurses move into the 21st century we need to pull together to demonstrate our power as a profession, the only way to do this is to have strong, educated nurses in not just bedside tasks but critically thinking, politics, research and community health. Think about it, comments welcome.

Here in the Philippines we only have one program before one become a full pledge nurse and that is to complete the BSN a four year course of study and then you have to take the Board Exam for nurses. If an individual wants to work in the hospital but do not want to submit himself to a long course of study the he should take the midwifery vocation which will take 2 years of study and his job will be a nurse assistant and who would usually perform the dirty side of the job which is to change linen, wash the poohss, bath the patients, take the vital signs etc. etc..

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Here in the Philippines we only have one program before one become a full pledge nurse and that is to complete the BSN a four year course of study and then you have to take the Board Exam for nurses. If an individual wants to work in the hospital but do not want to submit himself to a long course of study the he should take the midwifery vocation which will take 2 years of study and his job will be a nurse assistant and who would usually perform the dirty side of the job which is to change linen, wash the poohss, bath the patients, take the vital signs etc. etc..

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Originally posted by jenspec:

Here in the Philippines we only have one program before one become a full pledge nurse and that is to complete the BSN a four year course of study and then you have to take the Board Exam for nurses. If an individual wants to work in the hospital but do not want to submit himself to a long course of study the he should take the midwifery vocation which will take 2 years of study and his job will be a nurse assistant and who would usually perform the dirty side of the job which is to change linen, wash the poohss, bath the patients, take the vital signs etc. etc..

What a heated exchange...

I think some truth can be found in both camps.

Having many ways to the same goal seems devisive to some, yet provides opportunity

to the level which the individual chooses...

This is america, and we celebrate our differences. I am a male in nursing and from what I can gather from this forum

BSN to be or not to be? I would say it doesn't matter as much the degree after your name if you still let people walk all over you in the work place. It has been my experiance working my way up through the ranks, first a Monitor tech then a CNA, and unit secretary, and now an RN BSN in L/D that service is what we do. People are our

business. To love or care for others youmust first care about yourself. Degrees

3-4 yr. will only be as valuable as those representing the proffession. So if your an ADN RN and you say now to crappy stafing your a proffesional, or if your an BSN RN and you refuse to take report at shift change to protest unsafe conditions, then you have done all uf us proud. What I hope to see more of is the balance of both compassion with the long term reality that

speaks not only of nursing's strength to "wipe butts" or take report on 12 pts or whatever, but the healthy to say no when needed to protect not only the pt, but the

caregiver. Most nurses look at the overworked side of things from a shivilrous

point of view. This is magical thinking at its best. Reality says that the proffession

will fail to thrive if we portray weak, push

over types who can't see the value inherent in the Question "what's in it for me?" We all get paid right! Is it only because nursing is so touchy feely that we fail to see the inherent $ value in our services.

I'm not saying I'm in it for the money, but I'm not saying I'm not in it for the $ either...Are you catching my drift...?

Todd from Tulsa

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Originally posted by jenspec:

Here in the Philippines we only have one program before one become a full pledge nurse and that is to complete the BSN a four year course of study and then you have to take the Board Exam for nurses. If an individual wants to work in the hospital but do not want to submit himself to a long course of study the he should take the midwifery vocation which will take 2 years of study and his job will be a nurse assistant and who would usually perform the dirty side of the job which is to change linen, wash the poohss, bath the patients, take the vital signs etc. etc..

What a heated exchange...

I think some truth can be found in both camps.

Having many ways to the same goal seems devisive to some, yet provides opportunity

to the level which the individual chooses...

This is america, and we celebrate our differences. I am a male in nursing and from what I can gather from this forum

BSN to be or not to be? I would say it doesn't matter as much the degree after your name if you still let people walk all over you in the work place. It has been my experiance working my way up through the ranks, first a Monitor tech then a CNA, and unit secretary, and now an RN BSN in L/D that service is what we do. People are our

business. To love or care for others youmust first care about yourself. Degrees

3-4 yr. will only be as valuable as those representing the proffession. So if your an ADN RN and you say now to crappy stafing your a proffesional, or if your an BSN RN and you refuse to take report at shift change to protest unsafe conditions, then you have done all uf us proud. What I hope to see more of is the balance of both compassion with the long term reality that

speaks not only of nursing's strength to "wipe butts" or take report on 12 pts or whatever, but the healthy to say no when needed to protect not only the pt, but the

caregiver. Most nurses look at the overworked side of things from a shivilrous

point of view. This is magical thinking at its best. Reality says that the proffession

will fail to thrive if we portray weak, push

over types who can't see the value inherent in the Question "what's in it for me?" We all get paid right! Is it only because nursing is so touchy feely that we fail to see the inherent $ value in our services.

I'm not saying I'm in it for the money, but I'm not saying I'm not in it for the $ either...Are you catching my drift...?

Todd from Tulsa

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Sheripa:

You sure must be proud to be a nurse... you must be the first generation of your family that's progressed from white trash. Have a nice day- PIG!

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Sheripa:

You sure must be proud to be a nurse... you must be the first generation of your family that's progressed from white trash. Have a nice day- PIG!

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Originally posted by Tim-GNP:

Sheripa:

You sure must be proud to be a nurse... you must be the first generation of your family that's progressed from white trash. Have a nice day- PIG!

Your not worth the effort and your warpped sence of morals will be your ruin. Take a long look at yourself. At least she was honest about her view of nursing. You don't

really have an opinion you you spend your time picking on others brave enough to express theirs. NC no class...I'll pray

you get a conscience for your B-day or christmas...

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Originally posted by Tim-GNP:

Sheripa:

You sure must be proud to be a nurse... you must be the first generation of your family that's progressed from white trash. Have a nice day- PIG!

Your not worth the effort and your warpped sence of morals will be your ruin. Take a long look at yourself. At least she was honest about her view of nursing. You don't

really have an opinion you you spend your time picking on others brave enough to express theirs. NC no class...I'll pray

you get a conscience for your B-day or christmas...

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Mijourney,

Good post as usual. I must disagree wiht your statement that "nursing has been shooting itself in the foot." If nursing pulled the trigger, the AHA, AMA and AONE did the aiming. Every health care administrator I have ever had the misfortune to listen to for more than a minute has intoned the "Nursing is its own worst enemy" myth. Yes, there are those of us who are not nice to one another. But I have been fortunate to work with many who are nice and take just as good care of their fellow nurses

as their patients.

This debate about entry level will continue until there is one standard. I have a BA in English and an ADN. I can quote Shakespeare and Browning while wiping butts. Am I less a professional because my RN is not a BSN? I don't feel less professional. I don't think I would act more professional if I had a BSN or MSN or PHD. And there would be many older people who would not become RN's if the entry level was a 4 year program, including me. And I'm sure raising the bar would do nothing for the shortage.

As far as all the flames go, I like it when people vent on the net. Keeps them from gunning down others. Of course nurses are not like postal workers.

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Mijourney,

Good post as usual. I must disagree wiht your statement that "nursing has been shooting itself in the foot." If nursing pulled the trigger, the AHA, AMA and AONE did the aiming. Every health care administrator I have ever had the misfortune to listen to for more than a minute has intoned the "Nursing is its own worst enemy" myth. Yes, there are those of us who are not nice to one another. But I have been fortunate to work with many who are nice and take just as good care of their fellow nurses

as their patients.

This debate about entry level will continue until there is one standard. I have a BA in English and an ADN. I can quote Shakespeare and Browning while wiping butts. Am I less a professional because my RN is not a BSN? I don't feel less professional. I don't think I would act more professional if I had a BSN or MSN or PHD. And there would be many older people who would not become RN's if the entry level was a 4 year program, including me. And I'm sure raising the bar would do nothing for the shortage.

As far as all the flames go, I like it when people vent on the net. Keeps them from gunning down others. Of course nurses are not like postal workers.

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Originally posted by FamilymanRNBSN L/D:

Your not worth the effort and your warpped sence of morals will be your ruin. Take a long look at yourself. At least she was honest about her view of nursing. You don't

really have an opinion you you spend your time picking on others brave enough to express theirs. NC no class...I'll pray

you get a conscience for your B-day or christmas...

Eat crap!!!! You people are so funny. You all want to be more than what you are that is why your opinions about me don't amount to a hill of beans. For your personal info. my moms a nurse, uncle is MD, cousin is dentist, sister is a chemical engineer, brother owns his own small construction company. Besides the list goes on. I have my share of family members that do regular

9-5 jobs that make more money than YOU and they don't have college degrees. They have only their HS diploma.They know that they are professionals. You people are afraid to hear the truth, stop trying to analyze me because you sound like fools. Like I said before the only reason you all are not seen as professionals is because you feel as though you are not a professional. I asked my uncle about this and he said I don't know why they are like that because me personally as a Dr. I could care less how much education they have as long as they "FOLLOW MY ORDERS CORRECTLY", so you see it is you people who feel inferior you displace this feeling for yourself onto others. YOU HAVE LOW SELF ESTEEM IF YOU FEEL YOUR NOT A PROFESSIONAL. I know Customer Service Reps. who know that they are professionals and they only rec'd on the job training, so stop crying, you people sound like Alice the goon to me (wah wah wah wah wah!). While in nsg. school I was told this was going to happen. Only thing they could really tell us was that is was other nurses who felt this way. Please tell me who actually is bold enough to come up to you at work, home, or play and state that you are not a professional. That is person you should have the problem with. Stand up for yourselves and act like adults who are responsible for yourselves. Maybe I am missing something here and I shouldn't be speaking as I am. Please someone, anyone tell me who tells you that you are not a professional. Also,are the colleged degreed the only professionals in this world? I think not. You can be a professional at ANYTHING that you do. Do not let others put you down like that, and furthermore you don't have to listen to what others say to you. Just because someone speaks it doesn't mean that it is the truth. Grow up. This is an open forum and I can say anything that I like to say. For all the ones who have had a negative response to what I have written I can only say in my first post I didn't go after any one individual because various posts had been placed. I was writing how I felt about what I had read. But, you people took it personally, that is your own fault and not mines, I don't and wont apologize for how I feel.

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Originally posted by FamilymanRNBSN L/D:

Your not worth the effort and your warpped sence of morals will be your ruin. Take a long look at yourself. At least she was honest about her view of nursing. You don't

really have an opinion you you spend your time picking on others brave enough to express theirs. NC no class...I'll pray

you get a conscience for your B-day or christmas...

Eat crap!!!! You people are so funny. You all want to be more than what you are that is why your opinions about me don't amount to a hill of beans. For your personal info. my moms a nurse, uncle is MD, cousin is dentist, sister is a chemical engineer, brother owns his own small construction company. Besides the list goes on. I have my share of family members that do regular

9-5 jobs that make more money than YOU and they don't have college degrees. They have only their HS diploma.They know that they are professionals. You people are afraid to hear the truth, stop trying to analyze me because you sound like fools. Like I said before the only reason you all are not seen as professionals is because you feel as though you are not a professional. I asked my uncle about this and he said I don't know why they are like that because me personally as a Dr. I could care less how much education they have as long as they "FOLLOW MY ORDERS CORRECTLY", so you see it is you people who feel inferior you displace this feeling for yourself onto others. YOU HAVE LOW SELF ESTEEM IF YOU FEEL YOUR NOT A PROFESSIONAL. I know Customer Service Reps. who know that they are professionals and they only rec'd on the job training, so stop crying, you people sound like Alice the goon to me (wah wah wah wah wah!). While in nsg. school I was told this was going to happen. Only thing they could really tell us was that is was other nurses who felt this way. Please tell me who actually is bold enough to come up to you at work, home, or play and state that you are not a professional. That is person you should have the problem with. Stand up for yourselves and act like adults who are responsible for yourselves. Maybe I am missing something here and I shouldn't be speaking as I am. Please someone, anyone tell me who tells you that you are not a professional. Also,are the colleged degreed the only professionals in this world? I think not. You can be a professional at ANYTHING that you do. Do not let others put you down like that, and furthermore you don't have to listen to what others say to you. Just because someone speaks it doesn't mean that it is the truth. Grow up. This is an open forum and I can say anything that I like to say. For all the ones who have had a negative response to what I have written I can only say in my first post I didn't go after any one individual because various posts had been placed. I was writing how I felt about what I had read. But, you people took it personally, that is your own fault and not mines, I don't and wont apologize for how I feel.

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