Awesome new development at our corrections facility

[Two Sheds]

Partially due to the Florida case where the prison nurses won lawsuits over the COs turning their heads to the inmates jerking off, our facility implemented some changes in the past week or so.

If they are blatantly trying to show off their goods or how it works, we can file street charges against said inmate. The end result of this is that not only does the inmate have extra in-house charges against him (earning more time behind bars), but he will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his LIFE.

This was exlained to all of the inmates so that they understand the ramifications in no uncertain terms, but a couple of them have tried to challenge it to see if we're serious. One I/M pulled his "thing" out while I was changing his bandaging (right leg torn up by K9, lol). The CO made note of it, we have it on surveillance, so BAM: 20 years old and he's now a sex offender for the next 40 yrs. Good luck finding a place to rent, buddy.

Has any of your jails/prisons implemented such measures? Thanks...

[Orca, ADN, ASN, RN]

"jerking off", "junk", "thing". Laughing about the injuries sustained after being introduced to the business end of a K-9 unit? The level of professionalism in this thread is eye-opening...

If one cannot talk casually among peers, then where can it happen? I see no need to be formal.

Back in my correctional officer days, I worked on a psychiatric treatment unit that housed a lot of sex offenders. One morning I came in to relieve the night officer, and she was obviously traumatized. I asked her what had happened. One of the inmates had masturbated in front of her during two of the night time counts. I told her that she needed to write the inmate up, and tell him in no uncertain terms that his behavior would not be tolerated. The next night a different female officer was on duty, and he tried the same trick on her. She pointed the flashlight at him, said "If I didn't have any more than that, I would keep it put away", and she continued on her way finishing her count. We never had the problem again. This inmate was motivated by the shock reaction he got, and when it didn't happen all the fun was gone.

[jenniferkraha]

In the prison I work in, I have the right to walk off the walk if the guy is jerking. Understanding that they typically are just in their boxers I try to look last seeing their junk

[RN Rover]

where I work there is a whole 'IE' protocol (indecent exposure). Some years ago a couple of female officers filed a law suit against the state over inmates constantly exposing themselves. Outcome of that was very clear guidelines and consequences for inmates when exposure takes place. First offense they get put on "lexan' precautions which means their windows are covered up and whenever a nurse has to see the inmate, and officer must be with her and pull the window cover aside to look in and see if the inmate is decent. Second offense gets lexan precautions for six months and the inmate has to wear and "IE" suit whenever out of his cell. It's a jumpsuit they lock on so inmate cant get to his junk. The suit looks real silly and all the other inmates know what that guy is about when they see someone in it. They also get charged for the crime and time added to sentence if convicted. We still get guys exposing themselves, but I hear that the incidents have decreased dramatically since program was initiated. We are required to report to custody and fill out an incident report whenever we this happens. They don't consider it a convictable crime though unless you actually see the whole member and they always ask details. It's kind of humiliating when you the Sargent makes you re-write your statement to include and that you saw he was aroused and then insists you document how that made you feel, but at least they take it seriously. I've had only 2 IE incidents in 14 months at this particular facility. We had an inmate who is chronically exposing himself to female staff and he just caught another 10 years for the crime I heard from an officer. They aren't messing around where I work.

[Mr Sacdiff]

In a hospital, this happens and we have to give them privacy...not make them register as sex offenders. Wow. And At least where I am from and where I live now, they teach us not to give any details about a specific patient when teaching us about the ways HIPAA works.

[RN Rover]

with all due respect to jason880--- I am not referring to the scenario where you walk in on a patient and accidently find him masturbating or 'surprise' them. What I am referring to is when a male inmate in a state prison purposely exposes his genitalia to a female staff member for the purpose of his own sexual gratification and without the consent of the staff member he exposes to. This is called 'indecent exposure' and is a crime in all states, which includes hospitals, and when successfully prosecuted is punishable with prison time. There is no violation of HIPAA when a victim of a crime reports her assailant. Please understand that being a victim of a sexual predator is not part of my job description or any other nurses' job description.

[Sam J.]

thats hardly something to brag about. talk about the punishment not fitting the crime, thats just vindictive.

Another (in this case, victimless) crime that will cost the country another million $ in prison costs, even as serious felons are being released due to overcrowding. In fact, we are all sex offenders if you read the millions of laws on the books now and in the past- divorcees that take a boyfriend, gays, the teenager that urinates in the alley behind the frat house, the 90% of people that have sex before marriage, it goes on and on. I don't know the answer, but I do know there are already so many sex offenders all across the country they can't monitor them as it is. If you don't believe that, do a sex offender search for your area- you just might be suprised at the sheer numbers that will light up on your screen, and this is everywhere in the country. I just drove through a town in NoCal- there are so many sex offenders, the town has signs posted on street corners: WARNING- This area contains sex offenders (and the url to look them up online- there are about 2 per block, for a mile). The problem is NOT being able to rent, the problem is the taxpayers are paying that rent because the offenders are permanently unemployable.

[Sam J.]

with all due respect to jason880--- I am not referring to the scenario where you walk in on a patient and accidently find him masturbating or 'surprise' them. What I am referring to is when a male inmate in a state prison purposely exposes his genitalia to a female staff member for the purpose of his own sexual gratification and without the consent of the staff member he exposes to. This is called 'indecent exposure' and is a crime in all states, which includes hospitals, and when successfully prosecuted is punishable with prison time. There is no violation of HIPAA when a victim of a crime reports her assailant. Please understand that being a victim of a sexual predator is not part of my job description or any other nurses' job description.

Just curious if the audience might at least draw the line at mental patients in jails or hospitals that lack the capacity to realize right from wrong, or to control their impulses, etc.?

[Sam J.]

In the prison I work in, I have the right to walk off the walk if the guy is jerking.

What a nice and simple and logical (and FREE) solution. After all, those who know what they are doing are merely seeking attention, why give it to them?

[Sam J.]

"jerking off", "junk", "thing". Laughing about the injuries sustained after being introduced to the business end of a K-9 unit? The level of professionalism in this thread is eye-opening...

My thinking as well. This is street talk, pure and simple. Sad.

[sirI, MSN, APRN, NP]

My thinking as well. This is street talk, pure and simple. Sad.

I agree.

Very non-professional. No need to sink to the level(s) of those who cannot verbalize w/o using obscene/vulgar terms.

I also agree with the member who who said,

Quote from jenniferkraha

In the prison I work in, I have the right to walk off the walk if the guy is jerking.

And, this,

Sam J

What a nice and simple and logical (and FREE) solution. After all, those who know what they are doing are merely seeking attention, why give it to them?

I tried maximum security for a while. Wasn't for me, so I resigned. I admire any nurse who can give the care due the inmates in these facilities w/o degrading them.

[Sam J.]

I admire any nurse who can give the care due the inmates in these facilities w/o degrading them.

Or bariatric patients, because they require 5 or 8 nurses' time to simply turn them over in bed. Or welfare patients, because they are a revolving door and waste nurses' time with constant admissions. Or diabetic patients that are too lazy or stupid to control their diet. Or demented patients because they are so irritating. Or, really- any and every other patient, because they are ALL such a bother, they are ALL so annoying, they are ALL so beneath us with their complaints, problems, issues, needs, and they are ALL just so simply awful to deal with day in and day out??

I have a an idea for a GREAT new law! How about a new law that says that nurses can no longer be forced to work in any environment they despise, or with patients that disgust them? That's a law I'd vote for.

[BuckyBadgerRN, ASN, RN]

What? Just....what?

I admire any nurse who can give the care due the inmates in these facilities w/o degrading them.

Or bariatric patients, because they require 5 or 8 nurses' time to simply turn them over in bed. Or welfare patients, because they are a revolving door and waste nurses' time with constant admissions. Or diabetic patients that are too lazy or stupid to control their diet. Or demented patients because they are so irritating. Or, really- any and every other patient, because they are ALL such a bother, they are ALL so annoying, they are ALL so beneath us with their complaints, problems, issues, needs, and they are ALL just so simply awful to deal with day in and day out??

I have a an idea for a GREAT new law! How about a new law that says that nurses can no longer be forced to work in any environment they despise, or with patients that disgust them? That's a law I'd vote for.