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Attn: Frontier Graduates..

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

How many of you got your CNM and then went back to get your WHNP?

How long did it take?

Just curious.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

Why would you get a WHNP if you already have the CNM? It would be a redundant degree, which is why Frontier is eliminating it.

For greater marketability, CNMS I have spoken to have STRONGLY recommended a dual CNM/FNP degree.

BabyLady, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

In all due respect, why...is not my question. My question was posted to anyone who has done it...I have my own reasons for asking.

I have no interest in a CNM/FNP because chances are if you are working as an FNP, you won't be delivering babies...and if you are working in the capacity of a CNM, you won't be seeing patients coming in for sports physicals, strep throat, etc.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

Fair enough. Frontier won't be offering the WHNP for much longer, so you would not be able to get it through them.

BabyLady, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

Well, again, not why I asked....

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

Okay...

Maybe I'm reading your tone wrong, but why the attitude? I'm trying to provide helpful information.

based on the title of your post, the implication was that you were wondering how long it took to get it through Frontier, so I wanted to let you know that they will soon no longer be offering it.

BabyLady, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

I didn't see your post as being helpful, I saw it as being judgmental and you were assuming I didn't know they were discontinuing the program...and FYI, as of TODAY they are still offering it.

I posted the question to get an answer from a current Frontier student and it would have been nice to get an answer from one that has completed both programs rather than having to justify why I asked the question in the first place.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

All right. Well, good luck.

BabyLady, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

I found out that they are NOT discontinuing the WHCNP program.

They are only removing it as an option for the ADN to MSN students.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

I found out that they are NOT discontinuing the WHCNP program.

They are only removing it as an option for the ADN to MSN students.

They are removing it as an option for the bridge students this year, because the bridge students are a year behind. What happens to the bridge students right now affects the general master's program students the following year.

BabyLady, BSN, RN

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

They are removing it as an option for the bridge students this year, because the bridge students are a year behind. What happens to the bridge students right now affects the general master's program students the following year.

Well, they told me yesterday that they did not plan on discontinuing it..at all.

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

Well, they told me yesterday that they did not plan on discontinuing it..at all.

Interesting. Completely different from what they've told other people, myself included. With whom did you speak?

This is directly off their website....whether or not they are discontinuing their WHNP, here is the answer. (4-6 terms is 1-1 1/2 years....4 terms in a year) plus the extra clinical hours you would have to complete.

Current Students Planning to Complete Two Specialty Tracks

If the student declares this intention at the beginning of their education, a program of study can be set up that will facilitate this goal. The benefit of declaring early is that it allows the student and the Department Chairs to set up a program of study that will facilitate the goal of completing more than one specialty with minimum overlap in coursework. This is not a dual program or a separate program, but a program of study that allows the student to complete their MSN or post-master’s certificate and become eligible for certification as a family nurse practitioner, certified nurse-midwife, or women’s health care nurse practitioner and then complete another specialty track as a post-master’s certificate. The student may declare their intention to complete more than one specialty at the time of admission into FSMFN or at any time during their course of study.

Students who have declared an interest in completing more than one specialty will enroll in one specialty initially. They will inform both Department Chairs and meet with their initial Department Chair for the development of an individual program of study. Declaring the intention to complete more than one specialty does not constitute admission to the second specialty. Students who wish to complete a second specialty must apply to the post-master’s program for the second specialty after they complete their first specialty program. No student can be dually enrolled in two specialty tracks at the same time.

The actual post-master’s program of study for each student will be individualized based on that student’s needs. It takes the average learner 4-6 terms of full-time study to complete a second specialty track. A program of study with an established time frame designating the number of terms expected to complete the program will be designed. Students will be charged extension fees if they do not complete their program of study within the established time frame. Students may be required to attend Frontier Bound and/or Level III/Clinical Bound depending on their initial graduation date. Sample programs of study for students completing a second specialty are available from the FSMFN Department Chairs.

It also states on their website, you can look at the admissions calendar yourself, they are no longer offering the WHNP as part of their bridge program. But as far as I can tell, they do still offer it thru their regular master's, even thru 2012. I have no idea if they are planning on changing that, but there's nothing on their website indicating as such and I would imagine they would mention it for future applicants who may be considering Frontier in 2012 for WHNP. But technically if you were needing to bridge, you could do the CMN track first thru the bridge, then get the post master's in women's health.

Spacklehead, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in Emergency, Cardiac, PAT/SPU, Urgent Care.

I can see why one would like to get the dual degree. My women's health preceptor was a CNM/WHNP - she worked as a CNM for a few years, decided that the malpractice insurance/stress was too much, then decided just to work as a WHNP. Much less malpractice insurance premium since she was not delivering babies anymore.

The one OB/gyn group I went to had the WHNP's seeing ALL women of various ages, even through pregnancy (but could not deliver). The CNM's only saw the pregnant women and the 6 week post-partum women (plus were on-call for their deliveries). The CNM's would not see you if you were not pregnant (and were not recently post-partum). This is typical of how the OB/gyn practices are run in my area. It seems that getting both degrees would lead to more opportunities.

Frontier is still offering the WHCNP track for its MSN program.

Take a look at the school catalog for time frames and the cirriculum:

"Women’s Health Care Nurse Practitioner Post-

Master’s Certificate for CNEP Graduates

CNEP graduates with a master’s degree have the option of

completing a post-master’s certificate as a Women’s Health

Care Nurse Practitioner. This option requires completion

of an

additional four credit hour clinical course in women’s health

and primary care (WH639 for graduates of Class 30 and higher,

N599 for graduates prior to Class 30). Upon completion of

this course, a post-master’s certificate will be awarded and

graduates will be eligible to take the National Certification

Council (NCC) Women’s Health Care Nurse Practitioner

Examination. "

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