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I wrote this letter to a Triage nurse. I don't know her name as she did not introduce herself to me. I haven't decided what I am going to do with it...but I figured I would post it here to start. It's an interesting experience being on the other side of the gurney for a change.
Let me know what you think.
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I write this letter to the ER triage nurse who was on duty May 11, 2011 at a local hospital.
On that day I was taken to the ER by ambulance. I had experienced sudden neurological symptoms, was having trouble standing and walking and was very frightened even though I was trying very hard to stay calm. Anyone who's been in that situation knows how awful it is and how your mind races thinking up the worst case scenarios. I had chosen your hospital because I had been there in the past and know it to be an excellent hospital.
When you called me in (the ambulance attendants had to take a number and wait to be called) you sat down in front of your computer and started to take the report from one of the ambulance attendants. You barely looked away from your computer screen, and from my perspective didn't make eye contact with the ambulance attendant. You did not look at me or acknowledge me.
When you were done, I asked you if it was possible for me to go to the bathroom. You waved past the triage room towards the waiting room and said, "There's a bathroom over there, you can walk there."
My friend, who had accompanied me, responded, "But she's having trouble walking."
You responded, "That's not my problem. I can't go to the bathroom for her. There are wheelchairs all over the place."
The ambulance attendants helped me into a wheelchair and my friend took me to the bathroom.
You didn't know this at the time, but I will tell you this now....I am a Registered Nurse and have been for 26 years. I know what it is to be overwhelmed, overworked, undervalued, underpaid and frustrated. I know what it is to be stressed and I know how it feels to burn out. I've been there, done that and have the t-shirt so to speak.
I truly understand that your job can be difficult at best, But let me ask you something....how is all that my fault?
What did I, as your patient, do to deserve to be treated so rudely? Do you think I wanted to be there strapped to that ambulance gurney? Do you think I timed having my bladder being so full it was painful right for that moment? How much would it have cost you to turn to me and actually look at me? A nursing assessment consists of at the very least looking at your patient and not just relying on the report of the ambulance attendants. How difficult would it have been to simply tell me that you would get me a wheelchair once you were done? (There was one right next to my gurney) How difficult would it have been to crack a little smile? I wasn't asking anything complicated, all I wanted was to pee.
Remember, I am one of you. I too have been on your side of the bed and I too have felt the sting of the profession we chose. So I think it is safe for me to say, with some authority borne from experience that there is never an excuse for a nurse to treat his or her patient the way you treated me.
I'm writing this to put a voice to this problem. I know I'm not the only patient who's had to go through this or worse. Sadly, this kind of behaviour has become rampant. I see examples of that everywhere. Our current health care system with all its problems has put our profession is in crisis. The lack of funding, lack of resources and lack of staffing means that nurses are shouldering a huge burden. I get that! But our patients are in crisis as well and we are the professionals who are caring for them. That's why we are nurses, to care for people. Caring means kindness, not rudeness.
My friend, who is not a nurse, was aghast. She later told me that while we were in the triage room she witnessed another nurse yelling at a very elderly woman and dragging her down the hall by the hand. My friend was going to say something but was told by the ambulance attendant not to say anything because the nurse would "make a spectacle of her."
That is a sad statement considering we are talking about a profession known for caring. Have some of us really forgotten who and what we are and why we are doing what we do? Maybe we should all spend some time on "the other side of the gurney" for a change.
I do have to add one thing however, the ambulance attendants were phenomenal. They were caring, gentle, patient and knowledgeable...literally everything a health care professional should be and more.
As several other posters have mentioned, the exists the possibility of the nurse being severely reprimanded or fired.What does it say about the state of our "profession" when something so trivial could result in something like that?
It says we are a bunch of vindictive witches. Why not just GO to the ER, FIND said triage nurse, give HER the letter, and let it the frack go?
Dear nurseMike,
I see by your cat sig that I have read posts by you before and respect your opinion (a lot). You make excellent points. My point is...what can we do about it? make another nurse suffer? What's the point? It doesn't solve anything.
Maybe, the OP could find said nurse and speak to her before causing all kinds of ruckus. Find out what the problem is. Have an impromptu intervention. As a nurse manager, her take on this could go A LONG WAY to improving care at all levels of the system. Was it staffing? Burnout? Maybe this is the beginning of some kind of research the OP could be a part of...."What makes nurses act like total nitwits? An exploratory study"
Maybe someone reading this thread can use this to better their care, or reflect on how their care could be better, or REACH OUT to a colleague when they see they are at their wits end.
How can we use this to make it better for all of us (the patient, AND the nurse)?
NurseMike.
Please do not misunderstand my post. I am NOT in ANY WAY excusing the horrific behavior of that triage nurse. You are absolutely correct in that every kind of nursing has its own kind of stress. My only point is that triage is that a unique kind of stress that can be difficult to understand if you have never experienced the job. There have been times, as a triage nurse, that I have given exceptional care. There have also been times (and I am not proud of this) that I have not given it my all. Not because I don't care, but becase of the overwhelming demands on my time (not demanding patients, just the demands of the job in general). But, and I want to stress this, at no time, even under the worst of circumstances, have I failed to treat a person like a human being, which is what that nurse sounded like she did.
Your poor treatment is not in despute. That nurse is in the wrong, and I still think you should complain to the hospital. Frankly, I'm not sure the media would care, but management will.
Dear nurseMike,I see by your cat sig that I have read posts by you before and respect your opinion (a lot). You make excellent points. My point is...what can we do about it? make another nurse suffer? What's the point? It doesn't solve anything.
Maybe, the OP could find said nurse and speak to her before causing all kinds of ruckus. Find out what the problem is. Have an impromptu intervention. As a nurse manager, her take on this could go A LONG WAY to improving care at all levels of the system. Was it staffing? Burnout? Maybe this is the beginning of some kind of research the OP could be a part of...."What makes nurses act like total nitwits? An exploratory study"
Maybe someone reading this thread can use this to better their care, or reflect on how their care could be better, or REACH OUT to a colleague when they see they are at their wits end.
How can we use this to make it better for all of us (the patient, AND the nurse)?
Thanks. I have to agree, making the other nurse suffer isn't a good way to solve anything. Corrective action should not usually equal public flogging, and as an occasional sufferer from Athlete's mouth, I'd be among the last to say it should. It's also probably true the the OP is in a fairly unique position to be able to handle the matter informally. I'd just ask that those who argue that we try to see the triage nurse's side in the matter also concede that she wasn't a clerk at the DMV or a checker at the grocery. Most of us encounter rudeness and indifference on a daily basis and get over it. But I think it's a bigger deal when it's one of us. Thinking about the DMV or, say, Walmart, one can imagine a situation where seeing so many people, day after day, can tend to make them seem less like people. But I think we can also realize that people don't go to Walmart because they are in fear for their lives. Poor customer service isn't really excusable, anywhere, but in our line of work, it can be dangerous.
I'm not going to defend the triage nurse's action and behavior but a little note to all the acid comments from those that have never walked in those shoes...Okay there is a sense of ER Burnout here but the thing that is omitted here is her point of view on this matter.(Her side of the story) Triage in a busy hospital is a beyond stressful and important position.
You are charged with handling the patients and families coming through the front door and (like in this situation) ambulances coming through the back door. You need to quickly assess those that just might die in the next few minutes to an hour. You are charges with reassessing patients already triaged ensuring people DO NOT DIE while waiting.
After JUST having arrived there you have no idea as to the ER status going on around you. I have had to sit on SEVERAL Level II's in my waiting room because there were no monitored beds available. Unstable angina, uncontrolled diabetics leaning toward DKA, fractures, lacerations, asthma kids, you name it... Controlled Chaos doesn't quite describe it.
Your assessment began with the EMS call and your acuity was downgraded during the radio report or when you arrived. Someone sent you to the lobby for triage or you would have wound up in a bed with a "Stroke Protocol" called hospital-wide.
Was there a surge happening @ that moment? Know what it means when "the Bus unloads" when you're already overwhelmed? Hey, it happens and we deal with it... we HAVE too. There is no dragging your feet holding beds or admissions. That's emergency medicine. When's the last time she was able to relieve her bladder? How often did she leave while you were in the lobby?
Just sayin'...
Sometimes it just okay that you arrived still breathing. "Armchair Quarterback" her actions??? You left still breathing. I say Job well-done!
We get a bad reputation discussing frequent fliers and drug-seekers at work and on this forum but that's not all the patients that give us problems...
I can't tell you how many hundreds/thousands of patients that come through the door completely and totally capable that become completely and totally DEPENDENT soon as they cross the threshold. As nurses it behooves you to allow the patient to act independently and DO for themselves. It is a dark path to bend over backwards and cater to their every need. You DID have an attendant WITH you to assist... you were able to relieve yourself with your friends assistance. Except for the flippant attitude where's the foul here?
Sheesssh!!!
Listen, I'm sorry you had what I'm sure was a scary episode in your life. I'm glad that you are okay but Back-Off a little bit here or come and join us in triage and pray no one dies in your care when the SHTF!
But isn't that exactly what you did, defend her actions? I don't doubt all that you just posted was true, but why should the OP have to pay for it?
She wanted my opinion, I gave it.Based on the OPs letter, it would seem that the ER staff is there to "attend" to her. Prioritization be damned. I would never say "That's not my problem" to a patient, but I wouldn't have taken her to the bathroom either.
Like I said, there's no reason for rudeness, but damn. The ER isn't a place to get all of your needs met. It's a place to get you screened and stabilized.
I guarantee that if any of these "Oh my god, you ER nurses are so mean" posters were to go to an ER with an actual emergency where every nurse took all the time they needed with each and every patient and made sure all pillows were fluffed, and that every patient had every one of Maslow's need met, the waiting room would be so backed up, you'd probably never get seen.
I don't think the OP was so upset that the nurse didn't take her to the bathroom. I think the reasons given for not taking the OP to the bathroom have been resonable. I think she was upset that the nurse gave her a rude response. She came into the ER with a real emergency, not to get pain meds, a soda and sandwich. In the time it takes to give someone a rude response you could give them a civil one (note, I didn't say it had to be dripping with honey). People with real emergencies are usually very scared. Why make them feel worse?
Seems like there's two extremes here. On the one hand, we have people basically saying it doesn't matter how the nurse acted, after all the patient is still alive and so it's ridiculous to even think about complaining about her manner. The other extreme is those who are saying this is the worst thing that could ever happen to a patient so contact the CEO and get the nurse fired.
Surely there's a middle ground here? Surely we can accept that the way we are perceived has a huge bearing on the way patients feel and that the way patients feel is worth consideration and can in fact have an effect on their response to treatment?
There has to be a way of addressing this that improves things for everybody. Personally, I think the OP's letter is a little 'over the top' but I'm not dismissing her feelings.
Where I work, 'comment forms' are freely available for anyone to take and fill out and we've been schooled to accept that comments and complaints should be seen as an opportunity to improve our service. Of course this only works if management truly believes that too and doesn't use it as a disciplinary tool against the staff. We get quite a few ridiculous complaints but we also get plenty of legitimate ones and patients and families often actually have some good suggestions. When a complaint is made about a staff member seeming 'rude' or 'uncaring', you'd be surprised at how often all the person who made the complaint wants is for someone to say 'yes, it must have seemed that way, we're very sorry'.
I don't work in the ED and obviously it's a very different environment where things are constantly changing, priorities are constantly shifting, and everyone is under a great deal of stress all the time but surely the same principles could apply?
After all these posts i am still waiting on the OP to explain to me what great harm was done to her by the triage nurse. Yes the nurse's comments may have come across as rude, but it was a comment ..get on with your life. I would have done the same thing as the triage nurse, may not have used the exact words but if she was able to be triaged to the lobby her friend could certainly have helped her to the bathroom. If you are coming into the ER expecting it to be a calm and soothing enviroment you are going to be greatly disappointed. We are there to handle emergencies, yes we should be considerate of our patients and treat them with compassion but sometimes the situation doesn't allow the fluff your pillow stuff.
nursemike, ASN, RN
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There also exists the distinct possibility that this was not an isolated incident, that the triage nurse referred to has a long pattern of indifference and badly needs to be fired. We can all read things into the story that aren't there. Frankly, unless the OP did publish her letter in the media (a dire step, IMO) I doubt the triage nurse would be fired. Nurse shortage or no, it costs a lot to train us, and it would be an impulsive manager who took that step over one complaint. But what if it is one in a litany of complaints? Isn't some corrective action in order? And even if it truly is one isolated instance, isn't part of being a professional being accountable for our actions?
This does not read to me as a busy nurse being testy because a walkie-talkie patient demanded a cup of coffee (or tea). The OP needed to toilet. That's hard to ignore. The OP was not ambulatory. The triage nurse said, "That's not my problem." Well, maybe next time it will be. Another poster mentioned a "sense of entitlement." I think patients absolutely are entitled to be treated like human beings, with respect and caring. These aren't perks, they are among the bare minimum qualities to be expected of a nurse, and that nurse didn't meet them. It has also been variously remarked that those of us who aren't triage nurses can't understand the stress. Again, this is not an example of an obnoxious patient wanting to be pampered in the midst of a crisis. We all deal with stress, and at times are stressed to the limit. The frequency of such stress, and the types of stressors, may vary by department, and yes, in times of stress, any one of us could slip. But if the stress in one's position is such that one can't manage to care about a patient in distress, it's time to move on. Are those defending the triage nurse really saying a patient's safety and comfort are trivial? Is there no minimum standard of care? Or am I unaware of some hidden truth that all triage nurses are excellent nurses, above reproach? Frankly, it's pretty hard for me to believe that those responding defensively would tolerate such indifference in themselves. Why excuse it in another?