Am I off Base? or mentally unstable?

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Hello everyone,

I need your help. During a meeting with my Clinical AdvisorI was brated for a writing a paragraph in one of my reflections.

I wrote about a violent patient that I had one night that was admitted. He had to be placed in 5 point restraints and was trying to bite and spit on us.

I wrote that I preceived the expsure of salva, to be a risk to the staff and that I had asked my nursing preceptor if it was appropriate to put a OR mask on him. My preceptor said that it was not the policy and I fully accepted this. It was an aside comment to her and I made no attempt to do this.

My Adivior told me that I was completely out of place to even ask this. she state that salvia pose absolutely no risk to us and even thinking up such a thing meant that there is something fundamental wrong with my thinking and perceptions. Since i am not able to judge the risks I put the patient in danger. I told her that I did not accucually put the mask on the patient I only asked the nurse about it and as a student its my role to ask questions. I also repeated that this is my first mental health rotation.

I told her that I in fact do feel that the pt salvia posed a risk for infections like Hep B, herpes, conjuctaivsis and more. Espesically if it came in contact with my eyes or an open wound. She said that no such risk exisits and that my ability to realistically assess risk is suspect.

She then told me that under no curcumstance do we ever put anything on a pts face except a O2 mask. While this I can accept, am I not allowed to ask question as a student?

She then told me that my entire topic (violence in the workplace) was of concern to her as it is not a typical focus of a mentally stable student.

I felt like I had been hit in the stomach, all i could do was nod and hope this meeting ended asap. she says that I may fail if she doesnt feel that I can practice safely.

What I need to know was I out to lunch for (1) considering that spit exposure puts a person at risk, (2) asking a nurse the question about the OR mask, (3) choosing my topic.

or is my preception so outside the norm that I do in fact pose a threat to my patients.

thank you all.

Originally posted by Zhakrin

She then told me that under no curcumstance do we ever put anything on a pts face except a O2 mask.

Well, I'm just a student myself, but I believe we do put a regular mask on a patient with TB, and also when doing certain sterile procedures. So, she was wrong about that! I don't think your question was out of line at all. It is better to ask questions and be informed than to make decisions based on assumptions. If you knew everything there is to know, you wouldn't have to go to school, right ;) !

just because you are a student.........does not mean that you are ignorant, lack opinions, or have insight.............

just because you are an instructor.......does not mean that you are all powerful and in control.......

you job is too teach, guide, instruct.......and help shape new nurses......not get into power trips or shoot down their questions........

Specializes in Community Health Nurse.

Amen, Micro! :) Well said! ;)

Originally posted by fergus51

I think it's interesting that if a person spits on a police officer it is considered assault, but if they spit on a nurse it's just part of the job...

Ya know, this is exactly what I was thinking as I read this.

Just because I am a nurse does not mean I should come to expect to come into contact with other peoples "funk", no matter what it is. Aids, hepatitis, IT DOES NOT MATTER. I'd smack the s**t out of any other human being that spit on me, why should I take it once I put on my scrubs? What about my rights :confused:

If a patient spit on me, you can bet I would have a mask on them. So, no, I don't think this question was inappropriate, or that you are off-base.

Heather

I feel you pain fellow psych nursing student. I was almost dismissed from my nursing program for BS (in my view) reasons. They tried to play the "unsafe" practice thing with me but that quietly was retired b/c there is nothing in my file that would suggest this. And as for what happened; we were on a med-surg floor for a psych rotation. The pt's sodium was 130, and K 5'ish. I went straight to Fluid and Electolyte as a nursing diagnoses but I was also told my 1st Priority Diagnoses is to monitor the thought processes... Kind of hard to do when a patient is about to go into seizures, cardiac arrhythmias, or straight up coma... I almost laughed right at her when she said that, but, I bent over and took it without any KY and am finishing the semester.. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do my friend to get through. Doesn't matter about what you know really just matters about how much you can kiss dat A$$

Your instructor was the one out of line making comments about your mental stability. Also, she is wrong about never putting a mask on a patient under any circumstance. As someone else mentioned, there are times when we put masks on patients.

There was nothing wrong with you asking the nurse about the appropriateness of placing a mask on a spitting patient. Her reaction as an instructor is likely going to cause students to be afraid to ask questions during clinicals... not good.

Most psych intsructors are a little mentally unstable...thats what my psych instructor used to say. I heard she got fired for verbally abusing a student...oh those days!!!

Specializes in Telemetry, Med-Surg, ED, Psych.

Although you may not realize this, YOU have the upper hand here. Since your instructor questioned your thinking/judgement and made insinuations about your mental capacity, you are victim of slander and defamation of character. Certainly a nice reminder to your instructor and the dean of the program could be helpful.

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