Advice on License transfer

Silverdragon102, BSN · Jan 14, 2008

Did you do CES as it is different from CVS that NY require. Have they told you what is missing and did you complete application form for MI as well as request CES?

ija_dhanraj · Jan 14, 2008

Thanks for the reply, Silverdragon. I did not get any response from either MI Board or CGFNS. Since I have a permanent ID with CG; they might be having my verified records; they have to forward a new set to MI; so I paid $75 for forwarding professional education and professional registration/licensure (new combined service). Since no response from MI Board, I again paid $75 for the same thing; and they forwarded the same thing, but nothing else. Last week I downloaded a form for re-issuing credential evaluation services; but so far no response from either.

Silverdragon102, BSN · Jan 15, 2008

Thanks for the reply, Silverdragon. I did not get any response from either MI Board or CGFNS. Since I have a permanent ID with CG; they might be having my verified records; they have to forward a new set to MI; so I paid $75 for forwarding professional education and professional registration/licensure (new combined service). Since no response from MI Board, I again paid $75 for the same thing; and they forwarded the same thing, but nothing else. Last week I downloaded a form for re-issuing credential evaluation services; but so far no response from either.

Do MI do their own assessment if not then the confusion may be they are expecting CES and not received it. CES is different than CVS as far as I know for CVS CGFNS collect documentation but NY make their own assessment. Have you tried ringing MI and see what the problem is. You may have to apply for CES with CGFNS otherwise

Advanced Practice Columnist / Guide · Jan 15, 2008

Ija,

I responded to the same post you left in the Michigan forum. If you look at the requirements for RN endorsement of foreign nurse graduates who have an out-of-state license, it looks like CES is only one of two requirements. The other one is the CGFNS Language Report on English Proficiency. Both the CES and the English Proficiency documents are obtained through CGFNS. It also adds that a CGFNS exam certificate can take the place of the other two requirements if you have one. Could it be that Michigan BON has received your CES but not the English Proficiency document?

One way to find out is to actually call the BON. I hear you, it is like pulling teeth to even get in touch with somebody in Lansing. When I was applying for endorsement (I had my first RN License in Illinois), I had the same drawn out wait to get my endorsement. I actually went to the State Capitol in Lansing myself and spoke to one of the persons in charge to finally get an answer. And this was back in 1995 so obviously, nothing much has changed.

Also my other question is why are you having such a hard time getting a job with a provisional RN license? I suggest applying anywhere, even in places you wouldn't otherwise have thought of working in (possibly LTC, ALF?). With a provisional license, you are technically considered a GN and needs to be supervised by an RN. I wonder if this is what's turning off potential employers.

ija_dhanraj · Jan 15, 2008

Hi

Thanx for yr responses. It is a relief at least to discuss. I will try to contact BON, but I am waiting CGFNS to do something about the reissue of CES ($50) - their site shows that they received the amount.

Thanx once again

suzanne4, RN · Jan 15, 2008

Be aware that the information that CGFNS keeps on file for you is only valid for two years. If you were planning on them using information that was sent to them more than two years ago, it will need to be resent. Having a permanent ID# with them does not keep the information in the file current.

Licenses do not transfer, you need to use the endorsement process in order to get a license in MI.

Not sure why you were issued a provisional license in the first place, that tells me that they were missing something that was needed for your file.

MI does not do their own credentials eval, they use the CES; and until recently required the actual CGFNS exam as well.

ija_dhanraj · Jan 22, 2008

Thank u very much, Suzanne. I made a payment of $413 to CG again for the blasted CES. Now I fear the whole thing has to be repeated like in the case of a new applicant, and will take a whole lot more time. I wish I go back to NY.

starbin, BSN, RN · Jan 22, 2008

Be aware that the information that CGFNS keeps on file for you is only valid for two years. If you were planning on them using information that was sent to them more than two years ago, it will need to be resent. Having a permanent ID# with them does not keep the information in the file current.

Suzzane,

From my experience with CGFNS, they only need your license(from the country of nursing education) to be re-verified after 3 years from the date it was sent (the date on the original signature from licensing authority), but the nursing education documents do not have expiration date (they maintain electronic documents/files these days).

I am telling this from my own experience. I have been doing business with CGFNS since early 2004, and looks like it will never be over.....when I applied for CES last july, all they needed was my updated license verification because according to CGFNS, the one that is on file is dated april 2004. The letter from CGFNS reads-" the validation has to be dated within 3 years for it to be considered current". My nursing education documents sent in 2004, were accepted for CES.

It will be in the best interest of the applicant to send new documents (if you have obtained further degrees after you sent the last documents), but it is not mandatory.

Silverdragon102, BSN · Jan 22, 2008

Suzzane,
From my experience with CGFNS, they only need your license(from the country of nursing education) to be re-verified after 3 years from the date it was sent (the date on the original signature from licensing authority), but the nursing education documents do not have expiration date (they maintain electronic documents/files these days).
I am telling this from my own experience. I have been doing business with CGFNS since early 2004, and looks like it will never be over.....when I applied for CES for my education last july, all they needed was my updated license verification because according to CGFNS, the one that is on file is dated april 2004. The letter from CGFNS reads-" the validation has to be dated within 3 years for it to be considered current". My nursing education documents sent in 2004, were accepted for CES.
It will be in the best interest of the applicant to send new documents (if you have obtained further degrees after you sent the last documents), but it is not mandatory.

That is good to know but I think the issue is they had CVS which I don't think CGFNS keep anything they obtain the documents then pass it on to NY

That is my understanding

suzanne4, RN · Jan 23, 2008

They state in all of their handbooks that they only keep the information for two years, so that is the time that it is considered valid for. If they happen to have something else that is still available to them, then it is their choice as to whether or not they will use it, but their literature states two years only.

In the past, the file/application had only two years to be completed, or the nurse started over again and we used to see this with the CGFNS exam all of the time. And if the English exams were not submitted by the end of the two years, then the CGFNS exam result also no longer existed.

But what strikes me as odd is MI wanting to issue a provisional license, they normally do not do that so there is something else that is going on with the application in the first place. I grew up in MI and that is where I got my first license so very familiar as to how they do things.

And provisional is not one of them.