ADN penalties.. please read & reply

renerian, BSN, RN · Aug 30, 2003

I think it is a waste of time.

JMHO,

renerian

IowaKaren · Aug 30, 2003

My school wouldn't do that. You are either in the ADN or LPN program. If you don't get through the first semster of your sophmore year of ADN program, you may be able to join the LPN program the following semester, finish that semester, then take the LPN boards. You are then a LPN and work a year, then can come back to ADN program and finish it up. I guess they didn't want students deciding to drop the ADN program and take LPN boards mid-way through schooling.

flemmac · Aug 30, 2003

That sounds like a good plan Karen

Brownms46 · Aug 31, 2003

Originally posted by nursing 101
I don't see the necessity for this to be "mandatory" now if it's an "option" o.k.
My reason If you are going to be an LPN they should prepare you to think as an LPN. If you are going to be an RN you should be geared to think as an RN. Countless procedures involve the LPN relying on the RN or having to "refer to the RN on duty". So if you are in an ADN program what is the point? Now I can understand if the college wants to make their own exam (based on a first year RN student) but to actually have students sit for the LPN exit is a little extreme. Maybe I'm missing something?

What are those "countless procedure"?? And isn't the exit exam really about what they have learned during their first year?? I don't understand your reasoning here:)

Brownms46 · Aug 31, 2003

Originally posted by webbiedebbie
I am an ADN graduate. My school (in the 80's) offered us to sit for LPN boards. Let me tell you...it was the best experience for me. It gave me a chance to complete one round of boards and made the biggest difference with me passing RN boards! During my second year of school, I worked part-time as an LPN. I learned a lot from the RN's while working and it really helped me during my second year of school. I see this as a beneficial experience.

A new grad where I currently work has failed the RN boards many times. We strongly encouraged her to sit for the LPN boards. She passed the first time. She will now work as an LPN and pick up clinical skills and information that she can use to sit for her RN boards in one year.

I cannot stress enough how important it was for me to sit for LPN boards and work as an LPN while finishing my second year for ADN.

I see this as an excellent opportunity for you. It looks great on your resume also. It can be an extra benefit for you if you plan to stay at the hospital after you graduate.

Debbie that was a good thing you guys did, by showing her she had options, and continue on:). Well done! :cool:

Brownms46 · Aug 31, 2003

Originally posted by flemmac
In case you're all wondering, the exit exam is by HESI not my school.

And they give you no assist on reviewing for this??? Why didn't they advise your class about this in the beginning???

flemmac · Aug 31, 2003

No there is no assist with reviewing for this and if you contact Hesi, they have study material for their RN exit exam, but not their LPN exit exam. Every one tests differently, what if the test I have been taking at school is way off base from the way these Hesi people test. It happens you know. Several people on here and in person have told me that the Hesi test is pretty tough. They failed the Hesi test, but passed the Nclex the first time. They said the Nclex is actually easier than the Hesi and many schools are using Hesi as a guideline only to look at the areas for the students they may be weak in and give the instructors an insight as to what they need to change or the way they present the material. Like I said earlier I am in a 5 week program and you can only teach and learn so much in 5 weeks. I remember when I had my OB class, OB nurses were shocked that we were expected to grasp all of that material in 5 weeks and retain it. Now my school does go out of their way to make sure we are well prepared and do review classes when we sit for Nclex for RN, but no review for LPN. I am a straight B student, I do get A's, but really I just consider myself a B student, but when you shoot an entire cardiac lecture, resp. lecture or endocrine lecture at me in 3 hours and think I can retain it for life is unbelievable.

Brownms46 · Aug 31, 2003

OK flemmac, now I get what the problem is. You're worried this LPN exit exam will hold you back from continuing your program. And I don't blame you. But what I would really be worried about, is how well your school is preparing you for the "real world", and not just how to pass the NCLEX!

How do you feel about what you have learned so far? And why weren't you told about this when you began your program??

flemmac · Aug 31, 2003

I don't know if I feel that good about it. If you got a chance to see my other reply I had stated an entire system may be covered in 3 hours. Every one in this area knows how tough this program is, but making this test "mandatory" was just something they added about a month ago. Now lets just say I don't pass, then that means you are going to penalize me for the way you taught it to me? Whose to say its the student's fault?

Brownms46 · Aug 31, 2003

Ok Then I feel they're VERY wrong in doing this now! This is something they should have done with the next class coming in, not this class! I think you and the other students need to voice a protest here. I wouldn't allow them to hand me a policy, AFTER I had already started the program....NOW WAY!!

When I started school we signed a letter saying we understood the requirements, and what was expected! Was there any such thing done when your class started??

Brownms46 · Aug 31, 2003

Originally posted by flemmac
entire cardiac lecture, resp. lecture or endocrine lecture at me in 3 hours and think I can retain it for life is unbelievable.

What is the pass/fail rate on the NCLEX for this school, and how far into this program are you???

flemmac · Aug 31, 2003

Thats a good point and others in the program have expressed the exact same thing you said about you can't just keep adding stuff as we go along.