Well, I see it here all the time but didn't think it happened in daily life until....
I'm a student but began working in a hospital to get my feet wet. The other nurses have been fabulous but the nurse managers who are ADN with MPH or other type of Masters told me that BSNs aren't as prepared as ADN, not enough clinical - you know the rest of the monologue! They also treat me different than they treat the ADN students. Does this happen everywhere? This is ridiculous!
Please, someone make me feel better quickly - it's going to be miserable to go thru clinicals with this management attitude.
Bitterness and defensiveness.. told you.. When did I say I was superior? I know its all the same after graduation.. I chose my program because I want to go into grad school and get a higher position. That's my goal; its not everybody's. So BSN education is worthless huh? Wow you guys really get riled up. It's kinda funny. I very much look forward to working with some of you later on. So you can stomp your feet and tell me how much task-precision you have.. I love nursing.. everything I've learned it interesting and I'm not the type of person to moan and ***** about my work. So if your skills are better than mine, then hey, go on with your bad self..
Hi, just stop worrying about the whole debate. When you graduate, you will have your own ideas and theories regarding the subject. This is an ongoing ongoing ongoing theme. I personally recommend getting as much collegiate education that you can when you can get it. You may not get another opportunity. No, this doesn't mean that there is a better "nursing education"-- I personally do not know what any other programs offer except the one that I went through myself, & I get sick and tired of nurses fighting about this. I don't know exactly what LPNs or ADN's learn in school, so I really can't voice an opinion on whether they are "better" than a BSN ... but I also don't think they know exactly what my education entailed either!!!
I never get into this debate at work and this is the first time on the boards that I have even entered into the debate, but I can tell you that I SELDOM even tell people I have a BSN because of all the negative attitudes that different "degreed" nurses give me... I chose to get my BSN and that should not have negative consequences. I really don't care if someone else decided to get their LPN or ADN or PRN or whatever they decided to go for, and would love to stop being harrassed because of my educational choices. Whatever YOU choose to do is fine because in the end it is YOUR life... do what your gut tells you to do... Good luck in your decision!
and here I am, a LPN who is going on to get MY BSN simply because I want to have a more diverse field of choices as I get closer to not being able to work the floor anymore.
Wish we could all see that we are all nurses....all needed...and all respected.....
Bitterness and defensiveness.. told you.. When did I say I was superior? I know its all the same after graduation.. I chose my program because I want to go into grad school and get a higher position. That's my goal; its not everybody's. So BSN education is worthless huh? Wow you guys really get riled up. It's kinda funny. I very much look forward to working with some of you later on. So you can stomp your feet and tell me how much task-precision you have.. I love nursing.. everything I've learned it interesting and I'm not the type of person to moan and ***** about my work. So if your skills are better than mine, then hey, go on with your bad self..
Once again, since it didn't sink in the first time...it's not the educational level, it's the attitude.
Susy: I can understand where you're coming from. I feel the same way when someone starts a rant about ADN/diploma nurses...it makes you feel like you have to justify your choice in education.
I graduated with a BSN. Started my first job this summer with a nurse who graduated with and ADN in critical care. We're both equally lost. She said she had thought she'd be prepared. There were many, many skills and tasks neither of us had ever performed or even had an opportunity to see. So when it comes right down to it, we're not all that different, even in the beginning.
Yes, the attitude part sinks in just fine. What doesn't is why you like quoting me so much. Its cool though, I likes the attention! I have an awesome attitude when working with patients. I still feel happy at the end of the day. I will have no problem when I get out there full time. I'll be aware of all the challenges. The beginning of the thread was about ADNs ranting about BSNs in her clinical. Go back and read it. Nobody stated we were better. Be careful with attempts to turn it around and with putting words into other's mouths. Kristin asked if this so called debate exists in other places... Yeah it apparently does. She's new to school, and I'm warning her that yes, some nurses with a different degree than you will give you crap for nothing. The biggest proof is in here.. some people have the nerve to judge ALL BSN nurses.. even though they're not the same. And I have just as much right to defend my education as anybody else. If someone worked with me and straight up said, "your skills suck and you got a bachelor's for nothing", hell yeah I would defend myself. Its not cool if one BSN nurse may think her education is better than yours but its not an excuse to attack the skill level and thinking and attitude of all BSNs. Its just as bad.. If you were working in my hospital in the future, I wouldn't compare myself to you. I'm better than that.. I'm just aware of the tension that is out there. If I spread that awareness to another student, that's my right and nobody can say anything about it.
I am currently an ADN student and this is why I chose this route:
To get into my ADN program, I had to take many pre-reqs to even be considered. Over half of my ADN pre-reqs will also go toward my BSN. I am also riding through it on student loans. The hospital where I am employed will pay for my BSN, after I get my ADN. So why would I take out all of the extra student loans when my employer is going to pick up the bill? Once I have my ADN, it is only going to take me two semesters to get my BSN. Yes, I do want to recieve a higher degree in nursing, possibly NP or CRNA, but I also want to get into the work force ASAP (money for both degrees is the same in my hospital and ADN's do charge as well). My point is that real nursing and skills are not learned until you actually work as an RN. I think that experience is everything, you cannot beat what you learn on the job. I am getting the BSN for the purpose of furthering my education as a nurse. I never want to be in administrative nursing or management. The only good the BSN is for me is to get accepted into the NP, or CRNA program, and if I get my ADN, get the real working experience I need for acceptance into one of these programs, while my employer pays for the BSN, all the better.
Everyone has reasons for choosing what route they chose in nursing. In the end we take the same boards, and us youngsters will be wet behind the ears for years to come. I still feel that it comes down to experience, which cannot be learned through a book. As far as the debate about ADN BSN in my school, there really is none because 95% of the BSN students, already have their ADN.
Ahhhh yes.... Nursing Professionalism at it's BEST!
Kristin... the world is full of opinionated people who will go out of their way to make you question yourself. Generally these people only feel good about themselves when they are able to degrade another, and do you really CARE what this sort of person thinks? Stick with your goals and keep your eye on the prize... earning your RN! Should you later decide to further your education, none of this uncalled-for debate will matter in the least, I assure you.
I suggest you look for those in the Nursing Profession who display the behaviors and attributes you yourself would like to exhibit and develop a rapport with them.
Remember, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt ~
ADN, BSN, what does it matter at the bedside? I have worked with RNS with either of these degrees who knocked my socks off with their competent, compassionate care. On the other hand, I've also worked with nurses with either degree whom I would refuse to have as my nurse.
The only difference I noted as a BSN grad is that I was precepted by primarily other BSN grads on my nursing unit. There was no discernable differnce in my skills vs. the ADN grad who came on board that year. The differences were mostly personal. At the end of the year, the only difference between me & the ADN - prepared nurse (who worked day shift) was that she'd never hung blood ( ) and I'd done that several times on night shift.
Stick with your goals and keep your eye on the prize... earning your RN! Should you later decide to further your education, none of this uncalled-for debate will matter in the least, I assure you.
) and I'd done that several times on night shift.
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Bitterness and defensiveness.. told you.. When did I say I was superior? I know its all the same after graduation.. I chose my program because I want to go into grad school and get a higher position. That's my goal; its not everybody's. So BSN education is worthless huh? Wow you guys really get riled up. It's kinda funny. I very much look forward to working with some of you later on. So you can stomp your feet and tell me how much task-precision you have.. I love nursing.. everything I've learned it interesting and I'm not the type of person to moan and ***** about my work. So if your skills are better than mine, then hey, go on with your bad self..