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Last monday, I had a lady come into triage with a godawful, pity-me limp. She proceeded to tell me that she had terrible pain from her low back radiating into her left leg. She offered up that maybe she had "over done it at her family picnic" the morning before. Then she said, "I think it might be sciatica!" (stage limp = 1st red flag, medical jargon from non-medical person = 2nd red flag). For some unknown reason, she felt she needed to share that she had had an MRI the previous thursday, but her Dr. didn't have the results yet. Now I am confused beyond reason....why did she have the MRI thursday, when the pain started Sunday am? (red flag #3). I simply told her that since it was now Monday, I would place her in a room, and call her PCP for the MRI results. Looking a bit nervous, she allowed me to place her in a room. I told her to get into a gown, and the Dr. would be in to see her shortly. She did get into the gown, then opened the door and laid back onto the cart. I called her PCP, and they said they would get back to me. A few minutes later, one of the nurses said, "Diane, you have a phone call from dr. so and so's office regarding the lady in bed #3". As I go to answer the phone, the patient appears on the other side of the desk, fully clothed (nt having seen the er dr yet), and proceeds into this tearful tyrant about her PCP having "washed his hands of me!" boo, hoo. As I am looking at her, her dr.'s office informs me that this lady did indeed have an MRI in April, however it was in 2002. I thank them, and hang up. Then the pt. tell me that her "othopedist" (red flag #45) "told me that if EVERYBODY in the world was taking oxycontin, then who would be left to govern the world?!!!" boo, hoo, hoo. I tell her, she hasn't even yet seen the ER dr. Would she like to return to her room to see him? She sniffs a few times, and goes into the room, only to return to the nurses desk a minute later, saying "I want to sign out AMA!" (another one of those medical jargon red flags". So, we sign her out...and upon cleaning the room, discover that the code cart key is broken, and the pre-filled valium syringes are gone. Great. BTW, another thing she had said in triage was "My co-worker dropped me off during my lunch break and will pick me up when I'm done" I hadn't even asked her how she got to the ER. She obviously Knew enough to say that, so that if she got narcs, we would think she had a ride. When she signed out AMA, she had her car keys in her hand.

Call me....MS suspicious

I shoulda been a cop

I have a few stories. I have an uncle and aunt that the family does not talk to because of drugs problems. Two years ago my uncle was on crack and had no more meds (or no money to buy them because he had no job.) Well he decided to fake suicide so that they would take him to the doctor to get meds. He stabed himself with a knife and my aunt was on crack too and called the ambulance and they came and got him and of course he was in so much pain..please...they give him more meds. Then when he was in a crazy house they would do it again and get more meds.\

This makes me want to start a new thread....

I have a few stories. I have an uncle and aunt that the family does not talk to because of drugs problems. Two years ago my uncle was on crack and had no more meds (or no money to buy them because he had no job.) Well he decided to fake suicide so that they would take him to the doctor to get meds. He stabed himself with a knife and my aunt was on crack too and called the ambulance and they came and got him and of course he was in so much pain..please...they give him more meds. Then when he was in a crazy house they would do it again and get more meds.\

This makes me want to start a new thread....

Specializes in ER.

It's really sad that when someone comes to vent on this BB about a drugseeker stealing meds that a half dozen people have to post just to make sure she didn't neglect someone in true pain. I think she was very patient and caring with this woman, and wish we could assume the best of our fellow nurses instead of the worst.

Specializes in ER.

It's really sad that when someone comes to vent on this BB about a drugseeker stealing meds that a half dozen people have to post just to make sure she didn't neglect someone in true pain. I think she was very patient and caring with this woman, and wish we could assume the best of our fellow nurses instead of the worst.

The story is a familiar one. I have to say though that I don't get upset with the seekers as we all know they have their pt rights and if there's a physicians order and the pt has stable vs...give it . Save yourself the time and energy to try and bash them or rehab them...its futile.

The story is a familiar one. I have to say though that I don't get upset with the seekers as we all know they have their pt rights and if there's a physicians order and the pt has stable vs...give it . Save yourself the time and energy to try and bash them or rehab them...its futile.

Specializes in ICU.

Thank-you Canoehead well said.

I found out many yeara ago just how accurate a nurses' "Bulldust Barometer" is. I was visiting my Sister who is a social worker, she invited me to sit in on an SW training session. They were showing a tape of family dynamics. Something came up and I said to Sis "That guy on the tape is lying" The presenter stopped teh tape leaned forward and said "Why do you say that?" (Errr GULP! Me and my.....) Turns out I was as fast if not faster than all the trained social workers in the room at spotting someone lying or fudging and could "see" the abnormal dynamic but I could not explain it nor could I say what to do about it.

Turns out this is not uncommon. Nurses have very good bulldust barometers they just can't explain why. It could be the "red flags" ( 1= coincidence, 2= slight suspicion, 3= suspicious >4 = I will watch you and weigh EVERYTHING) or it could be that we are recieving incongruous messages between subliminal clues and actuality. (When they limp do the muscles react in a way that confirms there is underlying pain? Does the face look drawn? What are the muslces around the eyes doing?)

Attention all Nurse Researches! - good research material here - just how do nurses know if someone is in pain?

Specializes in ICU.

Thank-you Canoehead well said.

I found out many yeara ago just how accurate a nurses' "Bulldust Barometer" is. I was visiting my Sister who is a social worker, she invited me to sit in on an SW training session. They were showing a tape of family dynamics. Something came up and I said to Sis "That guy on the tape is lying" The presenter stopped teh tape leaned forward and said "Why do you say that?" (Errr GULP! Me and my.....) Turns out I was as fast if not faster than all the trained social workers in the room at spotting someone lying or fudging and could "see" the abnormal dynamic but I could not explain it nor could I say what to do about it.

Turns out this is not uncommon. Nurses have very good bulldust barometers they just can't explain why. It could be the "red flags" ( 1= coincidence, 2= slight suspicion, 3= suspicious >4 = I will watch you and weigh EVERYTHING) or it could be that we are recieving incongruous messages between subliminal clues and actuality. (When they limp do the muscles react in a way that confirms there is underlying pain? Does the face look drawn? What are the muslces around the eyes doing?)

Attention all Nurse Researches! - good research material here - just how do nurses know if someone is in pain?

Specializes in Emergency Nursing Advanced Practice.
Originally posted by Rapheal

This would never happen because the hospital would not like the publicity and hippa , and probally a dozen other reasons-but wouldn't it be great if:

ER calls the police to report the theft of valium and gives the name of the patient-suspect. They go to her home or stop her while driving and find the valium and she is arrested for theft and possession of drugs.

But alas, not in this lifetime.

You can call the cops because a crime has been committed. I have done it before and unfortunately will probably do it again!

Specializes in Emergency Nursing Advanced Practice.
Originally posted by Rapheal

This would never happen because the hospital would not like the publicity and hippa , and probally a dozen other reasons-but wouldn't it be great if:

ER calls the police to report the theft of valium and gives the name of the patient-suspect. They go to her home or stop her while driving and find the valium and she is arrested for theft and possession of drugs.

But alas, not in this lifetime.

You can call the cops because a crime has been committed. I have done it before and unfortunately will probably do it again!

Specializes in Emergency Nursing Advanced Practice.

My favorite from one of our "frequent flyers". Brought in to ED in wheelchair with "terrible pain" in his back. "Could not even stand" to get out of wc into ED cart. ED doc went in to room to examine and informed patient he needed to get on bed, pt refused so doc refused any Tx. Pt got mad, got up and walked out of the ED with no limp or "agony".

Specializes in Emergency Nursing Advanced Practice.

My favorite from one of our "frequent flyers". Brought in to ED in wheelchair with "terrible pain" in his back. "Could not even stand" to get out of wc into ED cart. ED doc went in to room to examine and informed patient he needed to get on bed, pt refused so doc refused any Tx. Pt got mad, got up and walked out of the ED with no limp or "agony".

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