Nurse Practioner Diagnostic Ability - page 5
Hey everyone, I'm a pre-nursing student (hope to be accepted in a few weeks to a BSN program!) and my goal is to become a NP or CRNA, though I'm equally split right now. I have a question about... Read More
Apr 4, '11 by highlandlass1592Quote from SyberianPuppyMany people have posted replies to your questions and tried to answer them to the best of their abilities, myself included. For some reason, instead of understanding what these answers are saying, you are spinning of in a different direction. Then accusing others of not being on topic..so not true.Thanks for your answer, but the two things I bolded in your post make no sense to me. First, did you even read my question? It says do NPs in THE SAME FIELD as an MD necessarily have the same diagnostic ability. Your response is that I'm comparing apples and oranges and that each different field has different abilities...but I asked, within the field, can the NP diagnose as many ailments as the MD?
Second - I never called it a deficit or used the word overcome. I said I want to be a NP (possibly) because I'm interest in the challenge of treating complex patients and want to make sure that I will, in fact, have the education necessary to treat complex illnesses and conditions. I think I'm allowed to ask that question before committing my life to something, don't you? I find it very annoying that everytime someone questions an aspect of nursing, people are quick to say "Nursing is not for you!!!!" It sort of upsets me that instead of encouraging me to explore career options and ask questions, current nurses and more inclined to discourage me and other prospective nurses from going into the field.
I'm going to try one last time: if I'm not able to help you or you continue to take offense (which is what is coming across in your replies to my posts and others) then I'll bow out of your thread.
YES, NP'S IN THE SAME FIELD AS AN MD MAY HAVE ENOUGH EDUCATION TO INDEPENDENTLY DIAGNOSE. I can't make it any plainer. As an NP, I can diagnose any and all condtions, I can diagnose all day long. You speak of wanting to know if you'll have enough education to diagnose complex ailments...you will have all the education you want.
I never said you degraded the profession. My problem with your questions regarding NP's is that inherent in your question : "It says do NPs in THE SAME FIELD as an MD necessarily have the same diagnostic ability." is that somehow the education of an NP might be somehow inferior to that of an MD. What I and many others have tried to explain to you (and that you're just not getting)is that the education is DIFFERENT. When I graduate and pass my board, I will be bringing 17 YEARS of education to the table...what will be 17 YEARS of experience in Critical care. As a nurse, I am continually striving to educate myself because I and many other nurses realize that school in no way prepares you to be a nurse. Your real learning takes place after school, just like it does for MD's.
As for my suggestion that nursing may not be for you, you call that "discouragement". No, I'm not trying to discourage you from asking questions nor from entering the profession. I and others here have tried to share with you insight that based upon your posts, you may not be happy as a nurse. You are not speaking of the nursing model of care, which is HOLISTIC care for the patient but the ability to diagnose MEDICAL illness. I am not sure how much plainer I can make this for you. If you only seek to make a MEDICAL diagnosis, not seek to provide holistic care...then nursing may not be for you.
Nursing isn't JUST about the illness...it's about SO MUCH MORE. That is why many of us have chosen the profession. Yes, you have the right to explore any profession before you commit thousands of dollars to education and highly recommend that exploration. Nursing school is hard...period. It takes just as much commitment and endurance as training to be any other professional. You have an advantage: you are able to come on a nursing bulletin board and ask questions of professionals already practicing and reap the benefit of our knowledge and experience. Don't get mad at us for sharing just that experience. Don't tell us that we "tear down our young" for asking questions.....that comment really works me up. It always seems when an experienced nurse is asked an opinion then when the questioner gets an answer they don't like, somehow we are "eating our young". Ok, I'm over that now.
To be a nurse or not to be a nurse...true, only you can decide. Again, as I told you earlier, if you have questions about NP's and their abilities why not set up an interview or shadow experience? Ask them directly these types of questions and see about their answers. As many of us have tried to explain to you, training in NP school is not standardized; it will vary from school to school and from state to state. And an important point to consider is to become an NP, many schools require you to have job experience prior to applying. That experience counts as education...it's education on the job. And no one statement can attest to the practice of all the various NP's out there, they all have different areas of speciality which will require different skills. I will be bringing that to the table when I am able to call myself an NP.
I'd encourage you also to explore the idea of holistic care vs. strictly medical care. It was just such an exploration that helped me decide between going to NP school instead of PA school. Nursing is a complex profession, with many sub-specialities. It's difficult to make blanket statements regarding how we ALL do things.
Again, no one here has "jumped down your throat". Be responsible, be professional in your posts. We are trying to help you but you're taking our input and turning it into personal attacks. If you ask for help, then don't allow anyone to help you, it's not our fault if you don't get the answers you seek....if you feel people are "jumping on you" maybe you need to rethink the way you are posting. Sometimes, we have to realize when we point one finger at someone else, we've got 4 fingers pointing back at ourselves. Time for some reflection.
Apr 5, '11 by linearthinkerThe OP is far too stubborn to be a successful NP, lol. FWIW, I did answer your question in the NP forum. The answer is, certainly, but it depends on the individual. You need to grow up and calm down before deciding upon what to have for breakfast, much less what do do with the rest of your life. Good luck.
Sep 28, '11 by JaxPAalthough there may be pa's around with an aa, they are rare, and that would be one salty pa. the pa programs have not offered aa's in many years. now, all programs require a 4 year degree prior to enrolling in a pa program, and most require you to take the mcat. most have changed to ms programs. very few bs pa programs still exist. the military program, ipap, is a masters program. i work in neurosurgery. we have two pa's and two np's. we do exactly the same job. both are great certifications, each with little advantages over the other. what it all comes down to is what track you happen to fall in during your education. i was an rn for 7 years before going to pa school- it was just a better fit for my situation. now just to get all you np's upset... i would say the pa track is more difficult... i don't know any pa programs that allow you to work a normal job during the week, do correspondence or internet courses... ha! end result... pretty much the same dern thing.