WHY does a B.S. + RN not equal BSN - page 12

I'm not trying to be argumentative here...I'm asking a serious question because I really don't understand. I also didn't post this over in the ADN vs BSN thread because it's not nearly as active. I... Read More

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    Quote from GrnTea
    [FONT=comic sans ms]if that were true i could agree with you. unfortunately for that soundbite, those "ba-mn" programs have prerequisites, nursing courses to be completed before beginning the mn program requirements.
    Not all, there are those that just don't require any additional classes to move from an ASN with a non-nursing bachelor's directly to an MSN program.

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    Quote from Anoetos
    well, unfortunately, BSN curriculae aren't uniform. Most schools require coursework in microbiology, pathophysiology, organic chemistry and several other classes, that do not always form part of an ADN curriculum and certainly do not form part of all or even most BA or BS curriculae.

    And this is not even taking into consideration the specific NURS coursework required.

    I also wonder what kind of MSN this is, an MSN-Ed? Management and Leadership? Some MSNs, I am sorry to say, are next to useless.
    Micro, patho, and O. Chem I are all part of ADN curriculum throughout my state. (statistics too).
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    One of the nurses in the L&D dept I volunteer at (for Clinical Care Extender program) told me the BSN allowed the student to have more managerial/leadership background. The General Ed as previously stated is already covered and the advanced work is solely in nursing, but from what I am told --manager nursing. If you want more clinical then go nurse practitioner. Depends on what direction you want to go. I have read the curriculum and it does look like fluff and not science but I have an Associate of Science in Business Real Estate--tell me how that is a science? But my Associate of Arts in Social Sciences--yes get the humor there--is an Arts degree. lol
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    Quote from jlpsu
    Thanks for the explanations everyone. It's really frustrating. It is interesting though to note that at least one local hospital had job listings requiring ' a BSN or a BS degree and an RN license' so it seems to some employers at least, the education is similar enough.
    This is somewhat ambiguous. Does it say, B.S. in any field? The hospital may still want a bachelor's in nursing, since some programs are simply called BS with a major in nursing instead of BSN. Semantics.
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    This all depends on the B.S. degree that you completed. I have a B.S. in Kinesiology, which is a prerequisite to get into the DPT (doctorate of Physical Therapy) program. There was a post that said basically B.S. have Algebra and BSN has Calculus. This is incorrect. In my B.S. in Kinesiology, I had Calculus, I had a year of Physics (not even needed with a BSN), I had a year of Chemistry, I had two years of working with cadavers (one year in West Bend, Wisconsin - we even got to dissect! Unheard of by most undergrad programs, but, our professor was known for discovering a walleye pigment that is being used in medical treatments. I had one semester in Anatomical Kinesiology, and we were allowed to move some of the tendons and ligaments to understand the movements). I had Statistics for the Health Sciences for understanding research. And, I also had Exercise Physiology, after basic physiology. I interned for 7 months at Froedtert (yes, that is how they spell it) in the cardiorespiratory rehabilitation department, and studied telemetry. At Froedtert, they want people to have a master's degree to be in management. Also, I have managed a collection agency for 2 years, and managed a mental health adult family home for four years. I am sure that my RN (when I finish) and my B.S. that I have equals a BSN, however, I do fear that it will not be recognized as such unless I apply for the MSN (which, with the cost, I do not intend to do). I will do whatever I have to do to get the BSN, however, for me, I believe that this would be extremely repetitive. I will try to view this positively - as, "repetition builds definition" (anyone who strength trains may have be familar with this saying).
    Last edit by Tjtowne on May 31, '14
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    I was under the impression that the Magnet status hospital had to maintain something like 80% BSN staff.

    The sad thing is that the BSN is not standardized. In my area, the BSN only has extra general education credits like fine arts, religion/cultural diversity, etc. It does not have extra nursing classes or clinicals. Even the supposed research is covered in an ADN curriculum in my area. We had gerontology, community, leadership, etc. Maybe my ADN program was ahead of its time?

    When I was pursuing a BS in psychology, I had better research experience. They actually made first semester students participate as guinea pigs in various experiments but the students got to pick which ones they participated in if they qualified. It was anything from surveys, computer programs, to even going for MRIs (I didn't qualify for the MRI one). Then you participated in the final two semesters with actual physical research (left before that).
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    my point exactly, nursing is the only path that does not honor past academic preparation, as far as gaining post grad degrees.......i can have a bs biology and get a ms in psyc or sociology. bs, RN?

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