nurses who deal with trach's: Procedure for Accidental Trach DecanulationRegister Today!
- by chiuli Oct 13, '10Im curious what were you taught to do in case of accidental decannulation?
If you can't insert the tube in, what do you do?
We were taught to ventilate through an ambu bag through the stoma. Would that work without having a patent trach tube in first?
My book says to cover the trach and do cpr through the nose and mouth. So Im confused with the different things that every says.
What were you taught?
I dont work with trach's yetLast edit by chiuli on Oct 13, '10
- Oct 13, '10 by TiffyRNIt depends. If the patient has an established mature stoma it's probably better to bag through the stoma. Particularly if the patient had it placed for some sort of airway obstruction. If the stoma is not mature and patent it is better to attempt to bag through the mouth/nose. If one bags through a fresh trach it may force air into the interstitial spaces and cause subcutaneous emphysema further compromising their upper airway.
The one time I had a patient decannulate; she was alert and oriented and did not have a catastrophic airway collapse. She was able to breathe through her natural airway until the RT arrived and placed a fresh trach tube into her thankfully mature track with only some mild desaturations helped by blow-by oxygen.
A few months later on that same unit; a patient did not survive when the trach tube deviated into the soft tissues. I was floated to another floor that night and found out about it later. I was never so happy to be floated. We were always instructed that if we suspected the trach tube had deviated, then we should stop bagging through the trach and instead bag the mouth/nose.
- Oct 13, '10 by GreyGullI think we just went through this topic a few days ago.
The main thing is to know what type of stoma and procedure your patient has before a trach falls out.
It could be a permanent stoma with the trachea externalized with no communication with the upper airway. For this one you will have to be mindful of grafts, internal prosthetic speaking valves and fistulas. Either way you should know when the tracheotomy or tracheostomy was done and you should have the appropriate equipment (BVM with appropriate size mask, spare trachs) at bedside which may even include tracheal ring grappers or pullers and stoma spreaders.
With the many different airways and surgeries for necks and trachs, it is difficult to say one method fits all.
I've got a little "I Spy" game for those who love people watching. See how many different airways you can spot in a crowd. If you hear a synthesized voice, which may not even be that obvious now, see if you can spot the synthesizer and the stoma. Also, if you see someone with a plastic tubing that looks like it could belong to a nasal cannula but the person isn't wearing one, see if you can follow to where it is connected. I've also struck up conversations to see what make and model their oxygen tank is especially if it is fitting into something like a very small hand bag.
Many EMS and ED workers have been fooled by missing a permanent stoma that is well hidden by a flesh colored covering or a shirt.
For a "fun" cruise or outting, volunteer to join a Better Breathers club. Or, crash their Christmas party which is usually hosted by the RT department along with a home care company. If you are not that experienced, make sure there is another RN or RRT accompanying you.Last edit by GreyGull on Oct 13, '10 : Reason: add more stoma info
- Oct 13, '10 by GreyGulltrying to keep track of the trach threads. i also posted this on the other thread.
the main thing is to know is what type of opening the patient has and where it goes or doesn't go. then you can more easily refer to the proper p&p in your manual.
Quote from christine cameron-dothis depends on the type of surgeries done in your hospital. some doctors like to differentiate between -otomy as the incision meant to close when something is not there holding it open and -ostomy with the ostomy being more permanent and will not close once the trach is removed.no (horrors! pulling the trachea out..!!!) the tracheotomy is the surgical procedure of making an opening into the trachea for the purpose of establishing an airway in a person whose upper airway is obstructed. you got that right, but the resultant opening is kept patent by insertion of a tube, of which there are different types. this opening is called a stoma, hence the name tracheostomy. the trachea is not pulled out! unless, of course, you have a grudge against that particular patient...:d
i have also posted a photo here of a stoma being formed when the trachea is brought to the surface. it is a horrors! photo and i apologize if some are squeamish. (google images is a great tool - yeah that posters and graphics display thing again)
to form an -ostomy (according to the purist of ents surgeons), after a laryngectomy the trachea is brought to the surface and the stoma is formed. a more permanent ostomy or stoma can also be created without the laryngectomy if the patient needs tracheal access but still has their larynx some upper airway access. of course many use the terms interchangeably and may not actually realize what their patient has.
example of a stoma s/p laryngectomy (you are looking directly into the trachea which has been brought to the surface to form the stoma.)
in the above photo you will see a little tag stick out which is a prosthetic speaking valve (blom-singer) that fits into the fistula between the trachea and esophagus.
below is a neck resection with laryngectomy where the trachea is being prepared to form a stoma at the surface.
text that goes with that photo:
diagram of a tracheostomy s/p laryngectomy.
this is a tracheotomy incision that needs a little tlc and bacitracin.
tracheotomy incision with a trach
note that there is still an intact trachea above the trach.Last edit by GreyGull on Oct 13, '10