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OMG!!! I am really PO'd about this article. IT was on ABC 20/20. I dont agree at all. The public is so uneducated, they may starting putting cats to sleep over this. Toxo has been around a... Read More

  1. by   Blondie_Maryland528
    Quote from CharlieRN
    I looked over the data abit. The highest correlation of serum antibody presence to schizophrenia is 60%. This is much less than a direct causative link. Looks like a pattern indicative of a causative factor that is seen by its indirect effects or of multiple causes of the observed symptom. The later seems more likely to me. Theoreticlly, Schizophrenia being a symptom of a specific class of brain damage that can be caused by a variety of agents. At varience to this is the uniform incidence of 1% world wide. One would expect there to be somewhere where there would be less causative agents and hence a lower incidence of disease. The delay of onset to between 15 and 25 is suggestive of "slow virus" behavior. Which is yet another theory. Statistical analysis ought to be a useful toolin sorting this out.
    I agree that the premature airing of this theory is irresponsible journalism.
    E. Fuller Torrey is noted for his creative theories of schizophrenia and you may want to just roll your eyes and say it could never be. But by approaching the still-unknown cause of schizophrenia in a creative way, Torrey found some interesting correlations. As is noted above, there is no direct causation between toxoplasmosis, these are correlational studies he is doing.

    Toxoplasma gondii can cause hydocephalus, seizures and mental retardation in newborns. As far as I know, none of Torrey's studies have been replicated. And everyone has pointed out that this 20/20 broadcast is really irresponsible. I wish every journalist had to take a statistics/research methods course so they actually could interpret studies accurately!
  2. by   Balder_LPN
    Quote from Blondie_Maryland528
    I wish every journalist had to take a statistics/research methods course so they actually could interpret studies accurately!

    That will never happen, because it wouldnt help them sell copies!!
  3. by   Turd.Ferguson
    Quote from danu3
    Hmmm... this is a bit off topic... I wonder what would dogs say?

    -Dan
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  4. by   Balder_LPN
    Quote from Balder
    Well..... I bet they didnt check to see wether these people where shizophrenic BEFORE they got the cats. ie maybe the mental illness drives the desire to own a cat. Personally, I dont know anyone who has a cat that is NOT mentally ill in some way :roll :roll

    Mighty quiet around here.. ....I thought we would hear from some vocal cat lovers after that one!!
  5. by   Fuzzy
    Actually, it is thought that people exposed to Toxo more commonly from eating under cooked meat than from their feline friends. Yet that part never makes it to the media.
    Fuzzy
  6. by   RENAISSANCE RN
    Quote from Fuzzy
    Actually, it is thought that people exposed to Toxo more commonly from eating under cooked meat than from their feline friends. Yet that part never makes it to the media.
    Fuzzy

    I know very irresponsible reporting IMHO.
  7. by   BlueWildIndigo
    Uncooked or undercooked vegetables is actually the most common route of infection. It's actually very easy to avoid infection from your cat's litter box. It takes 48 hours for the toxoplasma to sporulate, so clean your cat's litter box daily and you don't have to worry! Or, even better, make someone else do it.
  8. by   Fuzzy
    Quote from BlueWildIndigo
    Uncooked or undercooked vegetables is actually the most common route of infection. It's actually very easy to avoid infection from your cat's litter box. It takes 48 hours for the toxoplasma to sporulate, so clean your cat's litter box daily and you don't have to worry! Or, even better, make someone else do it.
    Actually we tell this to pregnant women and immunocompromised individuals all the time when the kitty is brought in for it's comprehensive exam. Sadly, some of the MD's still feel that the kitty should be "given away" when there is a pregnant woman in the household. We also recommend that rubber gloves be worn anytime that the litter box is cleaned by anyone period. The litter should be scooped at least once daily and the whole box changed and disinfected once weekly. This is the best way to keep the cat happy and healthy as well as the people.

    Fuzzy
  9. by   kadokin
    Quote from Balder
    Well..... I bet they didnt check to see wether these people where shizophrenic BEFORE they got the cats. ie maybe the mental illness drives the desire to own a cat. Personally, I dont know anyone who has a cat that is NOT mentally ill in some way :roll :roll
    ROTFL!!! Sorry cat-lovers (I am one myself, a cat lover, not a cat), but that is just too funny. Especially in light of the people who have so many cats they are creating a health hazard.
  10. by   Balder_LPN
    Quote from balder
    Well..... I bet they didnt check to see wether these people where shizophrenic BEFORE they got the cats. ie maybe the mental illness drives the desire to own a cat. Personally, I dont know anyone who has a cat that is NOT mentally ill in some way :roll
    Quote from kadokin
    ROTFL!!! Sorry cat-lovers (I am one myself, a cat lover, not a cat), but that is just too funny. Especially in light of the people who have so many cats they are creating a health hazard.
    Well.....its about time I got a response from SOMEONE on that. people usually get alot more worked up around here. Wassup, everyone in the xmas spirit or what?
  11. by   boulergirl
    What about the risk of getting schizo if your neighbor burns their cat?

    I was sleeping one evening, and I kid you not, I woke up to the smell of BURNING CAT. Apparently their dogs got hold of their cat and killed it, so the neighbors put their kitty on the burn pile. The air in my room smelled like cat food.

    That's what I get for living in the country...
  12. by   RENAISSANCE RN
    Quote from boulergirl
    What about the risk of getting schizo if your neighbor burns their cat?

    I was sleeping one evening, and I kid you not, I woke up to the smell of BURNING CAT. Apparently their dogs got hold of their cat and killed it, so the neighbors put their kitty on the burn pile. The air in my room smelled like cat food.

    That's what I get for living in the country...

    That is so gross!!!!!!!!
  13. by   FroggysMom
    Quote from FutureRNTerri
    OMG!!! I am really PO'd about this article. IT was on ABC 20/20. I dont agree at all. The public is so uneducated, they may starting putting cats to sleep over this. Toxo has been around a long time. I did some reseach on this Psychiatric MD. I think he is a quack... Please nurses out there spread the word to people that this is just one man's opinion.

    I think I am mad because I love cats..... What do you guys think... thank god for Timothy Johnson. I READ this Dr has stolen brains for science.

    Terri:angryfire
    Hmmmm, after living with all of my kitties, NOW I know what's wrong with me!

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