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- by ohbet Sep 18, '03Ive always understood that Fentanyl patches can be placed anywhere,chest back etc.
But we have one nurse,who recently went to a Pain Seminar,that insists the patch must be place ot the torso,as it is absorbed best there.
She gets bent out of shpae when she finds them anywhere else.
Has anyone seen any literature in regards to fentanyl placement?
- Sep 18, '03 by fab4fanI worked in hospice and we rotated our patch sites. According to McCaffery, sites should be rotated every two to three days. The amt. of body fat does not change the absorption rate.
According to McCaffery, patches can be places on the chest, flank, back, or upper arm. Since she is one of the major leaders in pain mgmt. nursing, I'd go with her info.
- Sep 18, '03 by ohbetMcCaffery is the Goddess of Pain Management. Ill go with her too.
- Sep 18, '03 by fab4fanLOL...I got to know her through a mutual friend, and I actually called her that once; she just laughed and said that was the first time she'd heard that one.
- Sep 18, '03 by jansgalRNI am studying for my hospice certification and I remember reading that Fentanyl is better absorbed over areas of muscle or adipose tissue. I am not sure that it matters where on the body, as long as the tissue is not scarred or broken, adequate circulation/perfusion is present,and body temp is normal. I have recently had very thin/cachectic patients who do not absorb transdermal meds and experienced little or no relief as a result. Also, I have found (along with my colleges) that sometimes the effects of Fentanyl do not last the 72 hr period. We frequently have to change the patch anywhere from 48-60hrs. I presume this has much to do with poor absorption, inconsistant release from the tissue, and metabolic factors that can interfere with potency and cause ineffective results. I find that the patch is an expensive, often ineffective method of pain control and the side effects can be serious. I must tell you that in certain instances when the patient is unable to swallow, drug abuse is suspected (happened when a patient's family member was taking her oxycontin and selling it), and the convenience of not having to take frequent doses or follow time schedules, fentanyl is very helpful. Our docs generally convert to something more predictable in its absorption unless the above issues are a factor.
Feel free to correct me if I have inaccurate info-I need to know this stuff. jansgalRN
- Sep 19, '03 by kidsAs a pain mgt patient I was told to put the patch on my upper arms, back, chest, trunk or thighs, that the important part of selecting the location was the patch making and keeping continuous contact: no wrinkling, folding, bending or shearing.
(I blistered within 12 hours no matter where i put it so I wasn't on it long so I can't offer any anecdotal info on if it seemed to work better in a given area.)
- Sep 19, '03 by VivaLasViejasPart of the problem with fentanyl patches is that they fall off all too easily, especially when a patient tends to be "moist". This was a big problem in the nursing home setting, especially; residents often needed several clothing changes in the course of the day, and a lot of times when CNAs pulled off the wet clothes and tossed them in the linen barrel, the patches went with them. (Then we wondered why the residents' pain wasn't under control!) I solved this problem in one facility by assigning the med aides to check the patches once each 12-hour shift......but in another building, they kept going missing. Turned out we had one aide who was pulling them off the residents and using them herself. At that point we fired the aide and started requesting PO methadone for our residents with difficult-to-control pain, and that worked just as well, if not better than the fentanyl patch.
Just my $.02 worth.
- Sep 19, '03 by fab4fanThe info I posted came straight from the most recent pain mgmt manual by McCaffery.
One factor that does interfere/alter absorption is if the pt is febrile; the patch won't last 72h. Chest hair may need to be shaved/trimmed.
- Oct 1, '03 by Dave ARNPIf a patient has alot of body hair Duragesic is simply not going to work IMHO...
The drg absorbs through the glue. This is the first thing you have to know.
Read your lit on the drg. DO NOT SHAVE THE AREA THAT YOU ARE GOING TO APPLY THE PATCH TO!
It just simply will not stick. Atleast, not very well. The surface of the skin gets rough from the shaving. This doesn't improve during the time the patch would be placed on the pt.
If you have a pt with a FEW and I mean FEW hairs you can trim them but do not SHAVE.
Also, I always tell pts to tape the patches on. Our hospital and NSG Home does this as well. Once a patch has come off, its essentially garbage. I just tell my pts to trash the patch at that point.
If a pt is extremely thin... This patch will not work. You must have some fat for this drg to absorb into. You need to make sure you know what your elderly pts look like before you order one for them. I've seen them given to little old ladies who's bones were merely covered by skin that was literally dripping off of them... and people were wondering why they were crying in pain.
Duragesic forms a packet of the drug in the fat layer and absorbs through that. No fat... no go.
Finally.... If a pt. is getting some results from the patch, but I think they could be getting more... I tell them to slap it on their abdomen. Try it. These work alot better when placed there. Granted, you have to bounce around, and be careful to avoid putting it where the pants can rub it off... but you will get better absorbing doing this!
David Adams, ARNP