Drug seeking- something to ponder

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I have been a nurse for over 20 years and I have seen nursing change over the last 20 years for sure. I obviously am very aware of the rampant drug problem that we are facing.

I too have been concerned about if I am a glorified drug pusher until I had a huge reality check. I went from being the nurse to the patient and what a change that is.

I was diagnosed with CRPS or RSD, to my left arm that eventually spread to my left knee ( due to a fall at work) and I also have fibromyalgia. CRPS has been around since the civil war and now servicemen and women coming home from war are also suffering from this terrible disease.

I look normal sitting in a bed.

The McGill pain index shows that (CRPS) Chronic Regional Pain Syndrome is the most painful condition on the planet, worse then natural childbirth ( and I can attest to that). I know that when my med list is reviewed, I can see the change in a nurse or doctors attitude. Questions about why I take this, who orders that. All of which I understand.

I like many chronic pain patients have a very regimented schedule and going into the hospital changes the times to all my medications. I can't shower in the hospital due to my cold intolerance. Sometimes I can only wear the one thing I brought due to the sensitivity to material, seems and even lung sounds on the left cause me intense pain. My limbs are different temperatures, and sometimes my left leg will swell and my toes get red. But a majority of they one my disease is invisible. I have been treated so badly by nurses and doctors. When I try to explain my medication schedule or when I ask for meds and I say my pain is an 8 or 9, I have been asked "really, you look fine to me" I have even had nurses not give me tylenlol with my maintence med because they didn't feel comfortable giving them together??? I have heard "we go for the lower med first and if it doesn't work..," which is fine for a post op day 2 hip, but I have chronic pain for 12 years. I follow all the rules. Never accept any narcotics from another doctor, urine tests, go to a pain clinic, have had over 50 procedures including a spinal cord stimulator.

When I attempt to explain my situation and my meds and why I take them or arrange my day in the way I do, like eating or showering, " I'm anxious, pushy, or the PIA patient" all of which I have heard. Then people find out I'm a nurse and I never have anyone help me with my bed, or rarely come in my room. The worst part is I can count on one hand the number of nurses who have read about CRPS and asked me questions or tried to understand. Patients can eat, watch tv and talk on the phone in pain. I hate to ring the buzzer asking for meds and ask for water or juice and get directed to the kitchen.

Pain is subjective, and if patients like myself get off our schedule it is very difficult to get relief. A 5 is a good day for me. I only post this to ask that despite you feeling like a patient can't be in pain or that we call because we are drug seeking, just take a minute and image your mother, sister, brother or best friend in that bed. Suffering.

I CRPS makes your affected area feel like it's on fire. The. The fibro ( yes it's real) makes you ache everywhere else. Pain in my legs so bad, I use a wheelchair for long distances. Migraines, stomach issues, chest pain ( with negative markers) because CRPS can affect your organs. We would much rather be at home. If you knew the things that we miss out on, Holidays or dates because we are mentally and physically exhausted from pain. Imagine having the worst migraine and toothache ever, the sounds make you nauseous and all you want is a quiet dark room. I put a pillow on my head because I am extremely sensitive to sound and light. Imagine that toothache and migraine last for 10 years. They never go away- ever.

Please think about how humiliating and difficult it is to ask for everything you need. The uncertainty of asking for meds by name and amounts to assist the nurse in making more then one trip vs sounding like a "seeker". We know what everyone thinks. We feel it. It's just one more worry that we deal with.

Please take the time to understand the condition your medicating for, or why this patient is non compliant. Go out of your way and change the times on a patients meds to accommodate their schedule, it validates me and may cut down on my prn meds. Understand that I have had a change in my condition and stress increases my pain and anxiety, along with no sleep.

Its easy to get frustrated and assume, I've done it before. I lost a lot due to my illnesses. I am a shell of a person that I was. I cringe just knowing I have to go to the ER to be picked apart and judged. I waited 7 hours for an ekg. Don't judge what you can't see. I'm not asking for any special anything, just try to understand.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Hubby has had chronic knee pain, pre and post-surgery (TKR). Has been on routine maintenance dose of a 'popular' opiate for 8 years. It doesn't make the pain go away, although in some people's opinion (remember the "everyone has one" saying about opinions?) at the dose he takes, it certainly should. But it does keep the pain at a livable level. It DOESN"T make him "high" in the least.

If I see his reddened and sweating face, that's my clue he's in pain. He seldom even talks about it, though.

But , if others were to only notice his joking and laughing, they wouldn't think he was in pain. What they don't see is the man in the privacy of his own home, sitting for long periods of time resting his head on his hand, eyes closed, quiet for hours at a time. He looks, but is NOT "relaxed", because using his bonhomie to rise above the pain is as tiring as the pain is exhausting. But if there are others around he will make the effort and act sociably, trying to make people laugh. So what you 'see' is not necessarily what he's got!

His primary recently retired :(.

The new doc says her new office policy is that anybody prescribed any kind of pain med has to have a pee-test before any prescriptions are written. Maybe the next 'thing' in this War On Drugs via your primary doctor's office will be Lie Detector Tests? And they can call it what they want to, but it's a War On Prescriptions and Patients who Require Drugs. Guilty until proven innocent, possibly innocent between this pee-test and the next...who knows? But we are ever alert, thinking the patient is hanging around that dreaded "Gateway To Other Drugs", and any minute they may put one foot over that threshold and become a total JUNKIE!

Do you know that Heroin is so much easier to get, and is cheaper, than jumping through hoops at your doctor's office?

Could the War On Drugs BECOME the actual 'Gateway' itself? Tune in next time....

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I believe that pharmaceutical companies ought to have to finance opiate addictions and treatment.

I despise the notion that chronic pain patients are presumed to be drug seekers and abusers as if they sought out the pain and then sought out the most addictive treatment themselves at the start of their health journeys.

I too suffer from chronic pain. I recently came across a doctor while in the hospital after surgery, she was amazing and gave me a nugget of thought that ERa and doctors should know. We could not get my pain under control and I was miserable, not only Sid she treat me fantastic she also increased the dosages of my maintenance meds. She said that when a chronic pain person has an acute injury/surgery etc the maintenance dose will not control the acute problem and needs to be adjusted like wise. Everybody assumes we already have meds at home but if the pain is acute it is not going to help. I wish people would research ask or do anything before they judge. I feel for everybody in this thread

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

Our current health system created a problem with irresponsible use of opiates, in much the same way that we have created super bugs.

Now we are trying to just remove access to the drugs for people who need them.

It is no secret that the indiscriminate and poorly monitored use of opiates contributes significantly to the increase in heroin use in this country. Heroin is cheaper and easier to get once the docs decide you can no longer be prescribed percocet or .

Specializes in Med nurse in med-surg., float, HH, and PDN.

Ahh, jeeezzz!

Sure, yeah, just cram the genie back into the bottle, right?

That'll make the problem disappear, right?

If nobody has access to the meds, that'll solve everything, right?

Pffft.

Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.
Ahh, jeeezzz!

Sure, yeah, just cram the genie back into the bottle, right?

That'll make the problem disappear, right?

If nobody has access to the meds, that'll solve everything, right?

Pffft.

Well, not precisely so but still...

The thing is, opioids are LESS effective for fibromyalgia than early complex treatment consisting of stretch, yoga, accupuncture, hydrotherapy, normal natural sleep and diet rich in eicosanoids. For this reason, fibromyalgia basically does not exist in Asian region - or, rather, it is treated early and routinely there. I was shocked when in Japan in ordinary public bath I was offered sort of massage specifically designed for it (I did not speak Japanese but the hot stones were placed precisely at the points, and there was a long line of ladies to that particular massage master).

That sort of treatment is rare and difficult to find in the USA, it is in fact semi-legal and costs tens of thousands of dollars, out of pocket. 98+% of patients either have no idea about it all, or cannot locate practitioners, or can't afford it, so they go to an average Dr. Joe, MD, who scares them with horror stories of not enough evidence of this and that and then puts them on Vicodin, Xanax and Soma. Then it only remains to pray the God so that the patients would not escalate, overdose, need more of other habit forming drugs, etc. While the problem is that patients should not be put on these drugs to begin with.

There should not be restricted access to pain killers for people who really need them. But there are patients who should be given alternatives, work release permit (paid in full or duty change) and high quality PT/OT first and second, and only considered for opioids as final option. Most of "criptogenic back pain", "fibromyalgia", "myofascial syndrome" and many other conditions belong to this category. Just today, I saw a patient with esophageal spasm. It is treatable by calcium channel blockers, peppermint oil and/or nitroglycerine, but her lazy primary care refused to order tests. She is heavily dependent on quick release oral opioids and benzos now.

Specializes in Med nurse in med-surg., float, HH, and PDN.

I would be quite amenable to any available alternative therapies like you mentioned.

But, NOT EVERYONE is abusing their prescriptions. Some people are actually able to use the meds, PRN, during an acute episode of pain, for the reason given, without taking any more than prescribed, and have no problem taking/using it for the time period prescribed, and then, even if there are 'leftover' Vicodin tablets or whatever, stepping down to an OTC.

Simple.

We are not all raging addicts whose only desire is more, more, MORE...pills, dosages, etc.

Medication is medication when it is used as ordered, with discrimination, for a finite period.

Drug-seeking is certainly a problem because some are more into getting 'high'.

But 'some' does not equal all.

Our office is part of a larger health care network. "ACME" health network policy is that any patient who has more than 2 narcotic prescriptions written for chronic pain are required to sign a controlled medication contract. Patients are subject to random drug screen tests at any time. You can also be asked to bring your prescription bottle in for a pill count at any time. It is pretty much standard operating procedures anymore. It stinks for those who are following the rules, but a few bad apples have ruined it for everyone.

Specializes in Med nurse in med-surg., float, HH, and PDN.

Everyone is guilty unless proven innocent by random, mandatory checks, and even then they are under suspicion because WE CAN DRUG TEST YOU AT ANY TIME, just because.

Specializes in Public health program evaluation.
It stinks for those who are following the rules, but a few bad apples have ruined it for everyone.

This is not third grade. That argument needs to be debunked.

Specializes in behavioral health.

I too was diagnosed with CRPS after a car accident and I know the pain that you are talking about and I have never experienced anything like it. Lucky for me mine seems to have gone into remission after 5 years of hell and trying to have any type of a normal life. My heart goes out to you and all of the others who suffer with chronic pain. I don't know why nurses are so judgemental and don't talk to you about your diagnosis and try to understand. CRPS or RSD as it used to be called has been around for a long time.  I had a little kid in the late 80s diagnosed with it after a gunshot wound and I can still remember his cries. I would like to think that if I were taking care of you I would have taken the time to understand and not make you feel like you were being judged and I probably would at this point in my life and after what I personally have been through. I no longer work in acute care because of multiple health issue. I still have chronic pain from my injuries and also have degenerating discs in my back and arthritis in many of my joints. I was very fortunate to have a doctor who believed me and has treated me after a long long search but I really appreciate your post and hope that people will take what you have to say to heart because I have been there and had a PA in the ED basically tell me that I was just sore like if I played a sport and stopped for a few months and started up again and I only needed some Tylenol and to lose some weight.  She wasn't even the person treating me but came in and told the PA who saw me that I did not need a CT scan that there was nothing wrong with me and several other incidents. I had a pain management doctor giving me injections above the level of my herniated discs and then get angry when I said that I was still in pain and also he told me that he did not prescribe pain medications. These shots did nothing and were ridiculous as they were given in a spot that did not even have an injury.  Oh the list goes on and on and and I am just babbling on but I definitely understand and can relate and I never never want to make someone feel like that. As if its not bad enough to be going through what you are going through but then you are treated like you are somehow a bad person really really sucks and I know the looks and the remarks only too well. I think that on some level if you haven't experienced chronic pain you really cant understand what an incredible difficulty it is to live with and how hard it is just to try to have some decent quality of life and my experience was before the whole opioid crisis so I cant even imagine what it would be like today 

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LB - welcome to All Nurses. I strongly recommend that you change your screen name here to something anonymous. There is no privacy in social media and everybody & anybody reads postings here. Many NOT nurses.

Just a suggestion.

Specializes in ER/School/Rural Nursing/Health Department.
On 10/25/2015 at 3:45 AM, rnrg said:

I too am a RN who suffers from chronic pain. Thank you for taking the time to post here. If u could ask one favor from you it would be to keep advocating for us, the chronic pain sufferers. The daily battle of pain, the lost quality of life, the fear of losing the right to pain mgmt because of physicians who have egos, the judgemental looks, the stress it puts on your loved ones, the cost of lost work or loosing the ability to work period. Please continue to be our voice. Post frequently. I have yet to come across ONE compassionate Dr. Nurse or physician staff who treats me like I am a real patient. They all treat pain sufferes the same. It's awful.

I'm a nurse with psoriatic arthritis and young children.  I've been diagnosed for over a decade now and have been able to maintain on my daily tramadol (which when I began taking it wasnt an opiate and now is which in itself made things more difficult).  My rheumatologist is amazing and getting ready to retire. I'm so afraid of what will happen when he leaves.  Will I be able to maintain my medications (thanks Perdue for screwing everyone in pain with your $ grab debacle)?  Because right now the only reason I can be a mom, go to work, etc is moderate pain relief.  Luckily I have physical symptoms (swollen joints, xrays, etc) so don't get much backlash but I still worry how things will end up and I'm only 40.

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