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| No. 10 |
Jun 21, 2009, 12:26 PM
Re: Is it me?
I agree yelling gets you no where...I have one preceptor assigned to me for this specialty..and she said she thinks I am doing great, but she is on vacation. So my preceptor changes daily with whomever is assigned to this specialty. So the specialist in this rotation thinks I am doing fine, but the other one felt I should be running the room after 3 days...As does the educator, and management. I just dont know what is normal. Like I said this is my first job as a nurse therefore, I have nothing to compare it to...Which is why I reached out on here to talk to people in other ORs to find out what is normal...
I think I definetly need to talk with someone concerning this...I am not sure what HR can do...And fracture nurse, I do feel that I am being bullied...I am not sure if I can make it another 6 months if its going to be like this. Dont get me wrong, I have had a few great preceptors. But when I get a bad one, and the educator and management don't even consider what I am saying, or better yet turn what I am saying against me, it is truly frustracting. I am seriously considering leaving...I would have been out of here after 30 days but my concern is how does this look on a resume? And more importantly, how do I ensure that this never happens again? Ask to shadow for a day? I mean this place made it sound like they were totally supportive, compasionate and had a great training program...maybe for the sadists | | Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 12 |
Jun 21, 2009, 12:47 PM
Re: Is it me?
You know, some places are just the wrong places. It doesn't mean you aren't a good nurse and could be a great OR nurse. There are those who do feel threatened for whatever reason. I am not sure why your manager is taking the opinion of just one of your preceptors. A total review by all of the preceptors is necessary for a complete evaluation, unless you really have screwed up somewhere. It doesn't sound like it at all. Attitude is a trait that all OR nurses possess. If you give the opinion that you are comfortable with all negative opinions from people then they will back down somewhat. You have to remember that OR nurses are the best in the hospital, IMHO, and some really take that as the gospel. They want you to reflect that in their training and feel if that doesn't happen then they look bad. Maybe this preceptor just doesn't like you for some reason. Is she old, craggy with a wart on her nose? Are you perky, bubbly and cute? Sometimes there just isn't an answer.
| | No. 13 |
Jun 21, 2009, 04:06 PM
Re: Is it me?
I have often had adversarial relationships with the management in OR's. I'm not entirely certain why, but many staff I worked with told me that I somehow challenged management with my not PC mouth, my intelligence and my lack of understanding of why the "rules" had to be status quo....
But that's not what you are doing. You are trying to learn, trying to comply and yet, you are being bullied and told that you are a bad player......you need to find somewhere else to work.
Have you joined the local chapter of AORN? That might be a great way for you to network and find other places to go in the local area.
My OR is 33 rooms and we have a 6 month long program and then, once on your team, about another 6 months orientation. I understand the need for consistent preceptors; that's the same complaint everywhere I've ever been that has a program.
Trust me, it's not you, it's them. Something is pretty rotten about the systemically accepted use of bullying and threats. I suggest keeping anecdotal notes and copies of every bit of paperwork they give you or show you. You may actually have a legal basis for suing- or at least, talking to a labor lawyer about whether you have a case or not. I understand that you are reluctant to bring a lawyer into the picture, but if they decide to go after you maliciously, and fire you with bad references, you may need to do something to clear your name.
BTW- those kind of cases are taken if the lawyer thinks the case is strong enough, at no cost to you, just a settlement off the back, so if you have any hesitation due to money, don't worry about it...
Your reputation and license are the most important things in your work life.
Be careful and if possible, get out of Dodge....
| | No. 14 |
Jun 21, 2009, 08:32 PM
Re: Is it me?
!! weeks is really just a drop in the bucket when you think about it, especially for someone new to the OR environment. In my hospital, the total newbies to the OR are pretty much still on the classroom portion of their training at 11 weeks. Yes, they go into rooms, but they are not running them alone. They spend some time in classroom and then maybe the second half of the day in rooms with a preceptor.
I had experience as a scrub tech and my orientation was still about 6 months. OP, I also think if you were doing THAT badly, they would have fired you by now. I think they are trying to break you, to be honest. Many were trained back in the day when it was acceptable to bully the new people. Guess what? It's not acceptable anymore..The feeling now is that bullying and intimidation make an unsafe envirinment for patients as well.
Stick this out long as you can, and then go to greener pastures. You owe these dimwits nothing.
| | No. 15 |
Jun 22, 2009, 03:00 AM
Re: Is it me?
There is nothing wrong with you at all. 11 weeks is not a realistic expectation, more like 11 months!
I would start looking for another hospital to work in. It sounds like this is an incredibly toxic environment where you are being deliberately sabotaged.
| | No. 16 |
Jun 24, 2009, 09:20 PM
Re: Is it me?
I feel your pain. I have been an intern myself, I know how hard not knowing, how to anticipate what is needed next. What i did if my preceptor is not receptive on my learning style, I utilize other resources ... try asking your Surgical Tech the sequence of the procedure. Prior to the surgery, set aside possible trays, sutures possibly needed. Take lots of notes. Be patient. You can try buying this book (helped me a lot to understand procedures) "pocket guide to the operating room" by maxine goldman 3rd edition ~ totally explains equipment needed for common procedures. In july it will be my 1st year in the OR, I don't know everything yet, everyday is a learning experience. Preceptors sometimes have high expectations for interns, they test your ability to think under pressure, they will see how well you conduct yourself in this arena, prove to them that you are a team player, a reliable RN ... and yes, try to see your ability on how to prioritize. 1st PATIENT needs ~ 2nd SURGEONs needs ~ 3rd the rest ... stick to the basics ... good luck . . . hang in there...
| | No. 17 |
Jun 25, 2009, 08:46 AM
Re: Is it me? This sounds like Hell on Earth - I can't blame you one bit for being frustrated, confused and angry. I think at this point, the next thing I would be signing would be a letter of resignation. And, as the others have mentioned - DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT - everything that happens on a daily basis. Remember - if you don't document it, it didn't happen - that you learned in nursing school?? It still applies.
They obviously don't have - and don't care to have - a reasonable, established orientation plan and it's certainly not based on AORN guidelines! They don't even care to stick with the one they were "forced" to write! An outline is an outline - but it's also a roadmap to get you where you're supposed to end up. AORN has a specific program, designed carefully, combining classroom and clinical OR time, to orient new RNs to the ORs - and it takes many months - 6 to 9 I hear - to get through - and then you're STILL a beginner!
I keep saying this too - there is a REASON it takes a minimum of two full years of prereqs, classroom, lab AND clinical time for CSTs to become adequately educated in the basics - and then WE are still beginners when we get our first jobs! It takes another full year - minumum - for us to begin to feel comfortable and somewhat confident in our role. There is SO MUCH to learn, and as we learn it, it changes! Nursing school rarely introduces you to the OR beyond some preliminaries, unless you're lucky enough to have attended a school which includes some OR work in the curriculum. Nursing schools haven't taught OR nursing in decades. I have yet to meet an RN (who wasn't a CST first) who has any idea about the OR. And we CSTs are usually the ones who teach the new RNs their scrubbing skills - at least that's been my experience everywhere I've worked. And I've always done it with my eye on the fact that I remember being a "Newbie" too. I've never had an issue with anyone I've taught to scrub. EVER. Experienced RNs teach circulating skills - in a GOOD facility with a responsible, knowlegeable, SUPPORTIVE Clinical Educator on staff who monitors your progress, and HELPS you - not shoots you down at every opportunity.
The bullying you describe could very well meet the criteria of a hostile work environment - it's also called "lateral violence" by some (see this article for more http://www.nursingworld.org/mods/mod440/lateralfull.htm) and if they fire you before you have completed their little trek through hell's fire and brimstone - it could be to your benefit to have your documentation to discuss with a lawyer, as someone else mentioned. Even if it doesn't directly benefit you in the end, think of all the other unsuspecting RNs who come along behiind you?
I wish you much luck - and a new job some place else! I'd love to know where this place is - it sort of sounds like one hospital I worked at for a while as a Traveler - and they wondered why they couldn't get or keep permanent staff, which was why they had to hire Travelers to begin with! My last day there - I told them exactly why they couldn't either keep staff - OR convince me to extend my stay, which they pleaded with me to do! As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, the OR Director was a Traveler too!! She came from an executive type traveling agency that only dealt with placing the "higher-ups" in temp positions. Sad when you can't even get permanent management and have to go begging - and paying BIG BUCKS to - a travel agency to get your management......... | | 150 members
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