Nursing Program @Grand Canyon University - page 6

Anyone know if the GCU nursing program is ok? Good teachers? Accredited? I know it's expensive and they were financially strapped as of Jan '04, but supposedly that's behind them.... Read More

  1. Visit  RNGrad2006 profile page
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    Quote from Calzonan RN
    I would definitely check it out. I've heard great things about GCU, in fact, I work with one of the instructors that teaches there and she really does know her stuff and I'm sure is a great instructor.
    The only thing that would worry me about GCU (and you'd have to check this info out) is that when I was doing my clinicals at T-Bird one semester we had GCU students who were graduating in 6 weeks. They told us that this was their first contact with actual patients. I'm not sure if it was the prior degree to BSN program (because they do have a fasttrack program for those who already have a Bachelors degree) or if they were traditional, but it just surprised me that they had no experience with patients.
    I've heard that about most of the BSN programs though, that they have less clinical exposure than the ADN programs.
    I'd definitely check into it though, I saw a billboard on my way to work and it said there's no wait time for GCU, not sure how true that is, but even a one semester wait is better than the MCC system right now!!
    Good luck!!
    I find that very hard to believe. We get a LOT of GCU students who do clinicals at St Joes esp due to their affiliation with St Joes and several of my peer RN's teach clinicals at GCU and they do just as much clinical time as the ADN programs. I find clinically the GCU students to be more prepared to working as new grads when they complete their programs than those I have met from the community colleges. Their expectations from their instructors are higher, they chart and do all care, whereas the community college students I have had do not. It also seems the work day for those from GCU is a 12 hour shift often whereas the community college students work the 8 hour shift and have to leave early for post conference and more often than not want to shadow instead of being involved in caring for the patients.
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  3. Visit  sweetsmuckers profile page
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    Quote from RNGrad2006
    I find that very hard to believe. We get a LOT of GCU students who do clinicals at St Joes esp due to their affiliation with St Joes and several of my peer RN's teach clinicals at GCU and they do just as much clinical time as the ADN programs. I find clinically the GCU students to be more prepared to working as new grads when they complete their programs than those I have met from the community colleges. Their expectations from their instructors are higher, they chart and do all care, whereas the community college students I have had do not. It also seems the work day for those from GCU is a 12 hour shift often whereas the community college students work the 8 hour shift and have to leave early for post conference and more often than not want to shadow instead of being involved in caring for the patients.
    Well the community college I go to has very high expectation from us also. And when we went to our clinicals, we were charting and doing the care within the scope of our practice. And I highly disagree on community college nursing students just wanting to shadow because we take care of our patients from the time we get there until we had to leave. ANd yes we do have pre-and post conference and trust me, it is helpful because we are able to tal kabout what we did at that day and share our thoughts and inputs....And now that we are on our next block, we have the option of 12 hours or the 8hrs. Some people cant do 12 hours because of a variety of reasons like family and work or something. And the very first week we go back to school, we already start our clinicals..so we do have enough (if not a lot) clinical times on our hands that makes us prepared for the job when we graduate.
    Last edit by sweetsmuckers on Dec 31, '08
  4. Visit  cardiacRN2006 profile page
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    Quote from RNGrad2006
    I find that very hard to believe. We get a LOT of GCU students who do clinicals at St Joes esp due to their affiliation with St Joes and several of my peer RN's teach clinicals at GCU and they do just as much clinical time as the ADN programs. I find clinically the GCU students to be more prepared to working as new grads when they complete their programs than those I have met from the community colleges. Their expectations from their instructors are higher, they chart and do all care, whereas the community college students I have had do not. It also seems the work day for those from GCU is a 12 hour shift often whereas the community college students work the 8 hour shift and have to leave early for post conference and more often than not want to shadow instead of being involved in caring for the patients.
    We get lots of GCU students as well and they are completely opposite from what you've described. They get 'dropped' off in our ICU and the Clinical instructor never comes and checks on them. They are poor in skills, and dont' seem to be all that motivated-at all! And the ones we get are all in their last semester.

    If they are pulling 12 hour shifts then it's not in our hospital.

    Overall, I am not impressed and would rather not have them in my unit.
  5. Visit  MissBehavin profile page
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    I am currently a level 5 (of 5) student at GCU. I am in the St. Joseph Fast Track Program. Are classes are on St. Joes campus, and almost all clinicals are there too. Here are the program stats.

    We have programs in Tucson (that require contracts with hospitals), on campus/traditional, fast-track at St. Joes and John C. Lincoln.

    1. Fast track is 5 semesters (year-round). I started sept. 07' and graduate May '09 (20 months). Most classes are 8 weeks in length, a semester is 16 weeks.
    2. We have clinicals throughout the whole program. (Including community health, home health, and Leadership/management/practicum). Hours vary sometimes 8hr, sometimes 12hrs per shift. Usually 2x week.
    3. The program is expensive, but worth it. St. Joes pays a portion of our tuition (so it is cheaper than the traditional program, and slightly less than ASU). We do not owe St. Joes anything, they give us incentives throughout the program in hopes of retaining us.
    4. We have NO waiting list, each round of admissions is new. Apply early, sometimes the fast-track does not fill up. People are scared of it, but it really isn't that accelerated, we just do not get much of a break (ie: one week in summer, 2 in winter, and 1 for spring break).
    5. You can get partial tuition assistance if you extern at St. Joes (but then you owe 1 to 3 yrs depending on how much you take).
    6. I started at a community college (a good one), our training is very similar. Most of the community colleges here are great, but with the wait list it can take almost as long to get an ADN as a BSN. Just depends if you want to go on or not. I know I want to be an NP, so I went BSN. It is a personal choice. Many hospitals will no longer payoff BSN so dont count on a RN-BSN degree for free. I think AZ community college grads are at the same level clinically, as all other New Grad BSN RNs (the skills are the same). We have a few more classes/hours/book knowlege (like management, coummunity/public health ect.)
    7. Yes, GCU is a Christian University. Sometimes we pray before or after class but you are not required to do so. We have all religions, including atheists in our class. We do have one book about spirituality in nursing. They do make a emphasis on assessing your pts spiritual needs, but as a RN you are suppose to do that anyway. As for pre-reqs you have to take 2 religious based classes ( world religions counts, and most other PHI/REL courses do too). We do not have to attend church like the non-nursing programs do.
    8. If you have a previous degree, they waive some pre-reqs.
    9. GCU is very supportive, and will do anything to help you along the way. Our CEO, and Dean are both RN's. (FYI CEO of St. Joes is RN as well). However, they are still transitioning and growing, this means things can get confusing, and you have to stay on top of your own stuff. But I found ASU to be the same way.
    10. You will write a lot of critical thinking papers (They are kind of like a huge care plan). They will be 20-40 pages long in APA format. Sounds scary but they ease you into it. You will feel very prepared for Masters level course work.
    11. Since we have a rapport with the hospital, we have gotten to see nontraditional nursing school clinical areas as well. We have been to Barrows Neurological OR (amazing), Interventional Radiology/Specials (very cool), PACU, Pre-Op, NyICU, Peds CTICU (congenital heart floor, great area). Outside the hospital we did hospice, home health, schools, jails, CP/rehab clinic, homeless shelters, and the option of parish nursing. (These are all areas you dont always get to see in other programs). Plus, the normal clinical areas like med/surg, geriatric, cardiac, peds, OB, mental health ect.

    HINTS: Get an extern position (most pay, some like JCL offer full benefits). Apply in 1st or 2nd block. It will help you clinically and teach you time managment. Plus, it is easier to get a job in an area that you like. For example if you like ICU, extern in telemetry for one year. Then when you are a senior transfer to the ICU of your choice (or ED). You get six months there before you graduate, and can make your transition to RN easier.

    Thanks Everyone. I hope this was as unbiased as possible. I started down the ADN route myself, and did all pre-reqs at community colleges (it saves you tons of money). I feel very well prepared to start my career.
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  6. Visit  dreamer81 profile page
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    Quote from MissBehavin
    I am currently a level 5 (of 5) student at GCU. I am in the St. Joseph Fast Track Program. Are classes are on St. Joes campus, and almost all clinicals are there too. Here are the program stats. .....
    4. We have NO waiting list, each round of admissions is new. Apply early, sometimes the fast-track does not fill up. People are scared of it, but it really isn't that accelerated, we just do not get much of a break (ie: one week in summer, 2 in winter, and 1 for spring break).....
    I just called an 800 number for GCU and the rep said he believes there is a wait list for the RN program. I sure hope there isn't because I really want to apply there next semester. Or are you saying there is not a wait list for the accelerated program? I need to finish a few more pre-reqs according to their list, but I can finish in 2 semesters and then apply to the accelerated....at least that's what i think. But I don't want to waste my time if there is a wait list. Is it really competitive to get in??? Also, where exactly is GCU located? Phoenix area?
  7. Visit  BlondieRN09 profile page
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    Quote from dreamer81
    I just called an 800 number for GCU and the rep said he believes there is a wait list for the RN program. I sure hope there isn't because I really want to apply there next semester. Or are you saying there is not a wait list for the accelerated program? I need to finish a few more pre-reqs according to their list, but I can finish in 2 semesters and then apply to the accelerated....at least that's what i think. But I don't want to waste my time if there is a wait list. Is it really competitive to get in??? Also, where exactly is GCU located? Phoenix area?
    I'm not sure about the traditional BSN program, but the accelerated, 20-month program does not have a wait list. They even have billboards all over the Phoenix area advertising this. The main campus is in Phoenix, but there is also a Tucson nursing campus, and classes for the students in the St. Joseph's program are at St. Joseph's. That said, they have nursing classes in several places. The Tucson program isn't as competitive as the Phoenix programs simply because they do not advertise it so not as many people know about the program.
  8. Visit  dreamer81 profile page
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    Thanks. So, for the accelerated program I would pretty much have to be finished with every single class on the list, except of course the nursing courses? On their website it has a list of "Nursing Pre-req's", and then a list of "Remaining Graduation Requirements" <------ that includes HIS107, PSY363, PHI329, and UNV200. If thats the case it's going to take another year to complete those and then I can apply for the accelerated, i'm assuming. The accelerated is not online, is it? My tribe will not pay for online courses. They have to be in person.
  9. Visit  BlondieRN09 profile page
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    Here is the link to the academic catalog for the on-campus BSN program: http://my.gcu.edu/SiteCollectionDocu...-09_spring.pdf. Is this what you were looking at? I'm not familiar with UNV200 - if it is the University Success class, you do not have to take that class if you transfer more than 24 credits to GCU. Some of the other classes are also waived if you have an Associate's degree (at least that was the case in 2007 when I admitted to the program).

    But yes, you do have to have all the non-nursing classes completed prior to actually starting the program. However, if you have all your core pre-reqs done (Bio, Anatomy & Physiology, Micro, Chem, etc) before you apply, you can finish the other needed pre-reqs between when you apply and when you actually start.

    Yes, the program is in person - not online.

    Are you in the Tucson area? If so, I can give you the contact name/number for the person that can give you all the info.
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  10. Visit  dreamer81 profile page
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    Well, I think I just my contact the school tomorrow and meet with an advisor sometime soon. It's starting to sound like the best route for me, especially if I can get into the accelerated program! Thanks for all the info!
  11. Visit  NursingStudent14 profile page
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    I would like the contact information for the Tucson campus. I want to do the fast track program but in Tucson. thank you for your help.
  12. Visit  dreamer81 profile page
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    NursingStudent14....this is from a previous post on a different thread:

    Try: 520-358-3739. for help/info.

    I hope that helps you! if not, let me know i can give you the contact for phoenix and maybe they can redirect you.
  13. Visit  MissBehavin profile page
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    Hey DREAMER 81
    sorry it took so long for me to get back to you.

    I will be honest the only bad part about GCU is that a lot of the advisors and other support staff are students and have no idea about the nursing program. There is no waiting list, it goes based off pre reqs and GPA and refreshes each time. It can be competitive depending on when you apply, and for which program. The accelerated usually has less applicants since you must be done with all pre-reqs. (which I recommend finishing them before starting anyway). The traditional on campus is more competitive (more applicants), but if you apply earlier your chances are pretty good. I think a B average would be okay if you apply ealy, if you wait til last minute, you will want like 3.5 or more (these are just guesses on my part, dont hve actual stats). Since the school is more costly than the commmunity college they will work really hard to find you a spot(hence get your tutition), and are honest with you about what you need to do to get in. They are the most friendly school, I have ever been to.
    GCU is located of the I-17 on camelback road in Phoenix. However the acclerated program meets at which ever hospital you are affiliated with (st. joes or JCL). Hope this helps and good luck!
    Last edit by MissBehavin on Jan 21, '09 : Reason: forgot name
  14. Visit  bdtjohnson profile page
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    I am looking to attend and found this thread.

    And I would be taking and RN-BSN program (if I even choose nursing for my BS). I want to get a complete education and a good, well respected school.

    And that 'aint GCU.

    You are the only person I've seen in all of these boards to really say anything negative towards this school... did you attend GCU and have a bad experience with them?

    Everything I have been able to research would indicate otherwise. I am really leaning towards it after what people have said on here, including ex-faculty and graduates.

    If you have never attended the school and are arguing against applying solely on your relgious beliefs, that would (for me, anyway) really diminish the strength of your argument. Most of the religious garbage (yes, I think it's garbage too) seems to be a non-issue from multiple sources here.

    I just want to make sure me applying is not a mistake. But the overwhelming majority of opinion on here is that it is a very reputable school both from practicing medical professionals that work with GCU grads and grads themselves.
    Last edit by bdtjohnson on Feb 6, '09


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