i didn't know this actually happened - page 9

Had a patient who called 911 for her water breaking at full term. I mentioned it to another nurse who was like "and why are you surprised by that?" i didn't know people actually did that.... Read More

  1. by   twotrees2
    Quote from cad4296
    I hate to see people abuse the system. 3 years ago my husband accidentally stabbed himself in the leg while trying to cut a plastic band. He sliced both his artery and vein in his leg and the only thing that slowed the knife down was when it hit his bone. We literally lived 2 minutes away from the hospital, only 1 stop sign between us and the hospital. We called the ambulance because I couldn't get the bleeding to stop. He bled through 3 hand towels in the kitchen and the entire kitchen floor was covered in blood, not to mention it was squirting straight out. It took the ambulance over an HOUR to get there. By the time they got there I had managed to stop the bleeding so the EMT/paramedic (not sure who exactly it was) told him it was fine, wrapped it up and told him he didn't need to go to the hospital. Needless to say 3 years later he has to have surgery because his artery and vein fused together during healing due to the wrapping (according to his surgeon.) Sorry for the off topic vent but I can't help to think that if it weren't for misuse of abulance we could have gotten him proper care and avoided this upcoming surgery. Looking back, I should have just tried to take him myself!

    i agree - i drove myself to the hospital once in horrific pain in my rt arm and neck - they checked my heart and said iwas fine asked me what drugs i was on ( due to when i was young id tried to commit suicide - though not funny it is funny they put 2 and 2 a few yrs apart and made 6 , even though i was clean and didnt even drink by then lol) anyhow- gave me a hypo - sent me on my way ( by the way remember i wsa driving?) never made sure i had a ride - i drove off to get my SIL - and her kids- we went to my aunts - by then the hypo wsa wearing off anbd the pain was coming back ten tiimes worse- my aunt assuming the docs werew right and i was nuts refused to call ambulance- so i called - sat outside i was so mad at her. she came out told ambulance guys i was JUST at the ER and doc sent me home and nothing was REALLY wrong - of course they called in and hospital said yeah i was just in and nothing wrong - so they sloowwwlly started on way to hospital as i refused to NOT go - not sure how far from town but i went diaphoretic, pale and vitals went wacky- the last thing i recall is hearing the ambulance driver say holy **** hit the siren and get her in NOW she is going out on us, while they tried to get an iv line in me. the next thing i recall is waking up 2 days later - apparently they JUST made it to surgey as a cyst the size of an orange that was gangrenous ruptured - i ws in hospital for a week or more - and quite ill. never got an apology from the ER doc ( who i did go see on my way out and said so im a drug addict huh? good idea to send me driving oon a hypo idiot!! ) ( shoudl have sued his butt but he retired soon after so i felt vindicated) or the nurses who kept insisting i was just having a reaction to drugs ( hello? anyone think to do a tox screen? idiots - i looked later in life - they never did) anyhow- a series of judgemental docs ( family !!) and ambulance staff near killed me. they assumed cause i had done some stuff when iw as younger i was a drug addict and "frequent flyer" which i wasnt - ONE time in ER with to many drugs and alcohol - by the way not illegal drugs even - well per say - they were legal but not mine so i guess they were illegal in that sense lol - and im a bad person. i am sure frequent flyers who WERE like what they thought i was - was probably a lot to do with the attitude or theyd not have had that attitude. LOL sorry - just had to tell this story as its eaten on me for yrs and seemed a good place to put it. abuse of the system isnt a new issue is another point ( this happened about 18 yrs ago or so - ) and that is why at least our state no onger gives out "welfare" cause to many abused it - sad that a minority ruines it fdor everyone.
  2. by   twotrees2
    Quote from dawngloves
    Since when is a paramedic able to make a diagnosis??? That is not their job and that is why, unfortunatly, they have to bring everyone in.

    there is a good point of ambulance trips- when my grandmother had a stroke and was out of it fighting us she was so confused we drove her to ER figuring we could get her there faster - hospital sent her home cause she refused treatment ( though she was obviously confused , did not know her name or who we were who brought her in - heck she walked to the outside door instead of ER door thinking she was heading into the ER ) we had to go all the way back hom - 20 min drive ( now between getting her in car and driving we have wasted over an hour - called a friend who runs a doc office - she said if sent via ambulance ( wish we had called her first) they HAVE to take in and check them - so we called ambulance- another half hour has gone by now..... she finally got there and was trasfered out via ambulance to a bigger hospital as she was to far gone for the small hospital - cant help but wonder ( she died thankfully in a coma and no pain 2 days later) could she have been saved and lived longer if they HAD treated her when WE took her in. suppose we will never know.
  3. by   twotrees2
    Quote from BSNtobe2009
    I collapsed at work once (I found out later it was from exhaustion), and I got a bill from the ambulance service.

    Do some people get this paid for?
    i know some insurances pay but i would think they may pay according to what the emergency is - and if it was really an emergency - at least that might be a good way to stop abusers if they dont do it that way.
  4. by   twotrees2
    Quote from TrudyRN
    You sent him from where?

    He called 911 from the ER for what and to go where?

    i have seen nursing home residents a - call the desk asking to get an ambulance and once we had one call for one and thankfully when she told them where she was they called us first cause she was quite confused and noting was wrong hahhaa.
  5. by   Spritenurse1210
    I'm gonna get flamed for this response,

    I thought you were supposed to call 911 if you were alone and your water breaks and you had no one to drive you to the hospital. Am I mistaken?
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I don't fault people who call 911 if /when their water breaks and they have no ride or are alone. yes, they SHOULD do this, particularly if they are contracting and in pain! Better safe than sorry, indeed.
  7. by   bird2birdnurse
    Quote from HappyNurse2005
    I dont think it was "outrageous". I was just surprised. Of course, not having worked in teh ER, and only been in OB 5 weeks, i haven't quite run into abuse of the system type things yet, 911 for non emergencies.

    and, no, it was not an imminent delivery.
    I actually drove myself to the doctor while in labor and was told you better get to the hospital. Instead I drove myself back home and called my husband who took another 30 minutes to get home.
    I had almost 2 hours after I arrived of labor...so plenty of time.
  8. by   bird2birdnurse
    Quote from amygooch
    I personally know of 2 "system milkers". One, (I am ashamed to admit), is my own cousin. She is 32, and on full disability. She had cancer. It is gone now. Miraculously, they got it all! She has NO symptoms whatsoever, and although she was very sick for about 4 months, after her surgery, the cancer is gone. However, did she give up her check and go back to work? Hell no!! She also wont marry her fiance of 4 years b/c they are living together (unofficially, of course) anyway and if she married him, she would have a smaller check. She has not been to ANY Dr. in over 3 years!! However, when she got on SSD, she was considered terminal. So, they didnt schedule her for review for 7 years. She definately has that sense of entitlement, thinks the world owes her something. She also recieved multiple benefits from the community at the time and raked in $26,000. (Several of the largest donations came from area churches..even though she attends nowhere....Three each gave her $3000 because at that time, they heard she had no insurance and it would be a while before disability came in. She had lied. She DID have insurance, and disability only took a month in her case b/c she was terminal. She also had a cancer policy that paid alot. However, do you think she gave any of it back to them when she didnt need it? NOPE! After her surgery when she was cured, she went on several shopping sprees, plus a cruise, and spent the rest to remodel a house someone gave her (she lived in an old run down trailor and a rich woman passed away and left my cousin her house after she heard she had cancer and was living in a run down trailor.) At the time she was given the house, the cancer was gone!! Did she tell anyone that? Nope!!! It steams me beyond belief!!

    Then, the other one I know is on SSD for a "bad back". However, he does manual labor jobs ALL THE TIME, off the books, for cash. What kind of manual labor? Framing houses!!! Yeah, he has a bad back alright!!!!

    Sorry for the rant, but as you can see, this is my pet peeve!!! But, suffice it to say, there are LOTS of ways of abusing the system, and unfortunately, anyone with those kind of inclinations will have no trouble figuring them out.
    There have been people who get prosecuted for things like this. Remember the people who took money after Katrina and were not even in the storm. Also in this area there were a family who pretended their daughter had CA Leukemia to get donations and eventually were caught. They actually shaved the childs head to make her appear as though she was getting Medication.

    Can you report the person on disabilty?
  9. by   33-weeker
    Quote from twotrees2
    i know some insurances pay but i would think they may pay according to what the emergency is - and if it was really an emergency - at least that might be a good way to stop abusers if they dont do it that way.
    Ok... can I have a little fun here....

    So, the time I went to the ER with severe dizziness that turned out to be - after bloodwork and CT of head, yada yada yada - nothing but 'my veritgo acting up again' (which I later realized was a side effect of medication that the many diff. docs along the way missed). Should my ins. pay? Sometimes you don't know what is wrong.
  10. by   twotrees2
    Quote from 33-weeker
    Ok... can I have a little fun here....

    So, the time I went to the ER with severe dizziness that turned out to be - after bloodwork and CT of head, yada yada yada - nothing but 'my veritgo acting up again' (which I later realized was a side effect of medication that the many diff. docs along the way missed). Should my ins. pay? Sometimes you don't know what is wrong.

    sorry no i dint mean for things like that - i meant if records show someone bringing their kid in every month for nothing but a srape or cut or someone ( like the drug abusers who are frequent flyers some have posted about) it would have to be on a each case basis cause i certainly wouldnt want a legit person to NOT come in because of it - ) at any rate many ins co already do that sort of thing - ours you have to call nurse something or other i foprget then ame lol - and you talk to a nurse and they tell you if you should go in or stay home and every call is recorded ( and for high risk ER visits ie heart attack etc - you dont have to call till after your there but you still have to tell them and its documented - so you really can tell who a frequent flyer is. not trying to ruffle feathers- just trying to think of any idea that may help with the ones who DONT truly need the ER - thanks for pointing out that i wsant thnking of the consequences for the REST of the patients - sorry to upset you. tracie
  11. by   33-weeker
    Quote from twotrees2
    sorry no i dint mean for things like that - - sorry to upset you. tracie
    You didn't upset me. I said I was going to have some fun with your idea... just poking fun. I do know what you mean.

    And what I don't understand is that ambulance personnel follow protocols for all sorts of serious conditions. Why is it that they can't have protocols for refusing certain callers after assessing them - like the pregnant lady who called them because she lost her mucous plug, but was not even having contractions.
  12. by   babynurselsa
    It is the same liability issue that causes us to do the million dollar work up on ff patients in the ER. If something were to happen later it would fall back in their lap.
    As one of my ER doc's says "Everybody has somebody who loves them, no matter waht kind of lowlife scumbag they are." "You may not know who it is until they file the lawsuit."
    I know our local EMS cannot no-haul someone unless the patient agrees and signs the no-haul.
  13. by   twotrees2
    Quote from 33-weeker
    You didn't upset me. I said I was going to have some fun with your idea... just poking fun. I do know what you mean.

    And what I don't understand is that ambulance personnel follow protocols for all sorts of serious conditions. Why is it that they can't have protocols for refusing certain callers after assessing them - like the pregnant lady who called them because she lost her mucous plug, but was not even having contractions.

    thanks - i tend to second guess myself and really want to fix it if i did make someone uncomfortable. i dont do it on purpose - i am just horrible at talking ( or typing as it may be ) and am often having to re explain myself even in life lol cause i dont get my message clear . now poking fun at - that i can deal with lol. thanks again.

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