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Background: We had a lovely, devout Muslim couple who had a baby a while back in my hospital. Their requests were clear but simple; no meat diet and no male care providers other than the ones already assigned to their care. (meaning no lab techs, nurses, housekeeping, etc). I passed this on in report but apparently poorly and ineffectively, as two days later, to their their horror, a male doctor entered the room to examine the baby. The baby was under the care of a female dr at first, but on-call assignments changed and and this gentleman took over, entering the room unaware of the situation. (He was not told and we had nothing on the door/chart, unfortunately, indicating the situation). The lady did not have time to cover her head/face before he entered, which was the main problem for them.

They handled this very well and politely--- but were extremely upset, understandably. Obviously, this is not information to be left to report alone, as such facts can and (were) lost as the days passed.

So, here is my question. We want to avoid a similar situation in the future. How do you handle such cases, where as you know, staff change by day, and housekeeping/lab/other personnel may enter care and need to be made aware of such mandates or preferences made by patients based on cultural or religious reasons? Do you use signage on the door? Kardex reports that spell it out clearly? Mark charts? My concern is NO ONE enter such rooms before we gain permission, yet there are administrators who feel signage may be inappropriate or offensive to such patients.

SO, what do you do to avoid the faux pas I caused this couple?

We did apologize and they were very understanding and accepting......... we just never want this to happen again and I have to come up with a plan of action that is spelled out clearly in writing, in time for our next staff meeting in 2 weeks.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions!

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
why are people entering the patient's room without knocking? seems pretty simple to me--policy needs to be that you don't enter without knocking first and saying "it's so-and-so, may i come in?" i'm an orthodox jew and cover my hair fully. i've had 4 kids and people were always really good about knocking--i appreciated it.

also it's good for the patient to realize the hospital isn't like being at home--people will be in and out all night for vitals etc.--so she should make sure she's covered adequately at all times. i never uncovered my hair at all in the hospital except when showering. why can't you explain the situation to patients so they can plan ahead and maybe decide to keep covered up? also suggest them pulling the curtain around their bed area so they can have more privacy if someone forgets to knock....

as an icu nurse, i wouldn't even think of knocking. some of our rooms have doors, but i doubt they still close anymore . . . .

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

I think it depends on the type of unit/floor you are on, too. An ICU is a far different animal than mother/ baby, and med/surg is far different than those two. And so on....

Specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.

i'm not trying to hijack the thread, but may i ask a quick question? friends of ours (he teaches with my husband) bought the house next door and are restoring it. they are in and out of our house and visit them at their present home. over the weekend, he stopped to borrow a tool and my husband wasn't home. i was wearing my nightshirt as i waited for a load of jeans to dry. it was warm and the front door was open so he saw me dressed like that through the screen. i called that i wasn't dressed for company but that i would go somewhere else in the house while he picked up the tool. i have seen him twice since then and while he was his usual friendly self, he isn't able to look me in the eye. he and his wife are muslim. what do i do now?

sharpeimom:paw::paw:

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i'm not trying to hijack the thread, but may i ask a quick question? friends of ours (he teaches with my husband) bought the house next door and are restoring it. they are in and out of our house and visit them at their present home. over the weekend, he stopped to borrow a tool and my husband wasn't home. i was wearing my nightshirt as i waited for a load of jeans to dry. it was warm and the front door was open so he saw me dressed like that through the screen. i called that i wasn't dressed for company but that i would go somewhere else in the house while he picked up the tool. i have seen him twice since then and while he was his usual friendly self, he isn't able to look me in the eye. he and his wife are muslim. what do i do now?

sharpeimom:paw::paw:

continue as usual. there's nothing else for you to do.

Specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.
continue as usual. there's nothing else for you to do.

thank you! i have seldom felt as awkward as i did in that moment.

sharpeimom:paw::paw:

Specializes in COS-C, Risk Management.

Not directed towards you personally, but I have heard from several people who wonder "what to do" in such situations, so thought I'd take this moment for a little PSA (public service announcement.) :-)

It seems to me that American cultural attitudes (and I'm American, BTW) dictate a sort of "conform to our policies/beliefs" way of thinking. Hence they many battle cries of "If you don't like it, go back home." On the contrary, Islam teaches us that we are only responsible for ourselves, not to expect others (or even our own) to conform to our way of life. For example, you'll see many different styles of "Muslim" dress, they're generally homogenouswithin a culture, but you won't find say a Pakistani telling a Turk that they've got it wrong, or vice versa. So chances are that when you do something that you perceive as an offense to a Muslim, they've already written it off as a cultural difference, like the nighshirt incident above. So long as you aren't going out of your way to be offensive (I wouldn't recommend taking over a glazed ham, for example), there's pretty much nothing that won't be forgiven.

We invited a guest over for dinner a few weeks ago who brought along a bottle of wine. He was a bit embarrassed when we told him that Muslims don't drink alcohol, but we haven't quit him over it. We just happily handed it back to him at the end of the evening and told him to enjoy. ;)

Just carry on, don't bring it up, and don't let it interfere with your neighborly relationship. Sounds like you have a good one so far!

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Thank you for all the helpful feedback.

I have taken all the suggestions and thoughts to heart. I want to thank our Muslim members for their very valuable and insightful comments, too.

I have decided I would like to call the family and since the husband is a cleric in their mosque, ask him for his perspectives and suggestions and perhaps, he can form a working group from some of the female members of his religious family to help us. I also have considered inviting him to speak to us at a staff meeting about his perspectives and suggestions, as well, since he is so articulate and caring. Our manager is all for this.

I think this might go a long way toward rebuilding trust and empower him and his family members/aquaintances to bring about change in how we care for people of their faith.

I again thank you for all you have said, and as usual, allnurses.com comes through! I will let you know how things go and the plan we enact to improve our care of folks of varying cultures (not just Muslim) in the future. I feel great now that I have a direction to go!

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What a fantastic thread!

Super Kudos to Kate for your tremendously insightful information. :up::up: Wish we had more education on cultural sensitivity here (in eastern NC).

Specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.
not directed towards you personally, but i have heard from several people who wonder "what to do" in such situations, so thought i'd take this moment for a little psa (public service announcement.) :-)

it seems to me that american cultural attitudes (and i'm american, btw) dictate a sort of "conform to our policies/beliefs" way of thinking. hence they many battle cries of "if you don't like it, go back home."

that wasn't my intention or attitude at all. we babysit their toddler and preschooler and will keep them when their mom has their little baby brother or sister in a few months, visit back and forth a lot,

share recipes from our families, etc. and i would just hate for things to be awkward. like a man seeing an old order amish woman barefoot would be like a male friend seeing me in my underwear. our friend saw me as i was getting into the car this morning, smiled but did not look at me which is a change. they are such goodfriends.

sharpeimom:paw::paw:

Specializes in COS-C, Risk Management.
that wasn't my intention or attitude at all. we babysit their toddler and preschooler and will keep them when their mom has their little baby brother or sister in a few months, visit back and forth a lot,

share recipes from our families, etc. and i would just hate for things to be awkward. like a man seeing an old order amish woman barefoot would be like a male friend seeing me in my underwear. our friend saw me as i was getting into the car this morning, smiled but did not look at me which is a change. they are such goodfriends.

sharpeimom:paw::paw:

as i said, it wasn't directed at you personally, just a general comment that we expect others to have the same reactions or to conform to our cultural norms, and so assume that they expect us to conform to theirs. obviously you were aware of him having a sense of modesty regarding female dress, or else you wouldn't have warned him that you weren't dressed for company. you're making the assumption that he's offended based on his religion, even though he came on in after you'd warned him. or it could be that *he* thinks *you* are embarassed and is giving *you* space to get over it.

clearly you guys are good neighbors, certainly you're sensitive to cultural differences, else you wouldn't have posted here. my suggestion would be to have a casual talk with his wife, if at all possible. mention in passing that you think maybe your nightshirt was a bit too revealing and that he seems to have cooled off towards you since that day, and you don't want to damage your neighborly relationship. there's a slim chance that he might not have mentioned it to her, so that's your judgment call. if you think it's possible that he hasn't mentioned it, you might also have your husband talk to him about it, instead of talking to his wife.

ot: amish women don't like to be seen barefoot? i never knew . . . .

Specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.

clearly you guys are good neighbors,.... if you think it's possible that he hasn't mentioned it, you might also have your husband talk to him about it, instead of talking to his wife.

ot: amish women don't like to be seen barefoot? i never knew . . . .

he is about 50 and she is about half that age. i kind of doubt that he's mentioned it to her. i saw her today and, as usual, she greeted me with a big hug and a kiss. i thin i'll have my husband bring it up. thanks, kate!

ot - old order amish women, who frequently go barefoot around their houses, will many times not answer the door if they aren't sure who it is. old order amish are who you think of when you think of who the amish are. they shun modern life and live and dress as their 16th century ancestors did while new order amish use electricity, have radios, electricity in the barn, gas or electric stoves in the kitchen, running water, indoor plumbing. their dress is similar to that of mennonites. old order women quilt, sew, make all their families' clothing on old fashioned treadle sewing machines. women and girls who are older than 10 or so, wear dresses which close with straight pins, while smaller girls wear buttons. men wear button-front pants. babies wear soft caps then bonnets when they're toddlers. women wear sheer white caps indoors but often wear the same style cap but in black for everyday wear. when they leave home to go somewhere, they wear a stiff bonnet made by covering a cut clorox jug covered with black cloth over their soft cap. sometimes, a baby will wear disposable diapers. men farm and often work in or own saw mills. they also do painting and roofing. anyone nonamish is referred to as being english. they do not not not immunize their children :eek: as theyfeel it is against god's will. the kids start school at about age 7 and attend until age 16 and somtimes age 14. the girls "work out" until they marry. a girl is referred to as a girl when she's 110 if she never married. the first year the girls "work out", the parents take their money and it's set aside until a girl has enough to move out and either move in with an unmarried sibling then continue to save until she has enough to live on her own or marry. unmarried men are clean shaven while married men have beards.

a woman or couple in a closed amish buggy is/are married. a young courting couple is chaperoned. they marry outside their own community.

sharpeimom:paw::paw:

kathy

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