Does your staff do C/S's or does OR team??

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We are a small rural unit that does approximately 45 deliveries a month on average. Of course, we have crazy months that we do 65 and really slow months that we only do 35, but on average about 40-45. Anyway, we are constantly bombarded by the OR crew that the OB staff should be doing their own C/S's on the unit. Currently, if we have a stat C/S the OR team gets called in to do them.

I understand the reasoning that with a 30 minute from decision to incision time that it would be better for in-house staff to do them, but we do so few per year that our skills just wouldn't be up to par and we don't currently have the staff available for that. And the expenses involved in training all 30 of us to learn this skill would be incredible and to keep up the skill would also involve extensive training, not to mention more staff to fill the area also. Being a small unit, we would have to train everyone because of days off, on call, etc.

We confront this problem all the time and get frustrated. Mother and baby are of utmost priority and we do start opening the room and have the patient in the room sometimes prior to OR arriving, and then they take over and we concentrate on baby. (the labor nurse assists with the baby at this point).

Do any small hospitals our size staff their own C/S and how does it work?? Our experience is that only larger hospitals are doing this and it would not work in a small hospital. Thanks for your help. Sharon

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I don't work L&D, but I'm gonna add my two cents anyway....

Where I work now is a large metro. hospital that does approx. 6000 births per year and they do a LOT of high risk stuff, so yes, our L&D staff does their own C/S.

However, where I did my clinicals in nursing school is a small community hospital. They are probably about the same size as the original poster's hospital, with approx. the same amount of deliveries, if not a little less (not sure on the exact numbers). Anyway, the OR team does the C/S there too and they have the same argument going on that you described. OR thinks that the L&D nurses should be doing them. The only reason I know this is because my best-friend used to work OR there and we actually had this conversation before.

But yes, I can see your point about training and so few happening, that you could lose the skills needed.

Thanks everyone for all your input.....it sounds like the larger hospitals are doing them because they have the staff for that and the smaller hospitals are still utilizing an OR staff. I am sure this will be an ongoing argument til the end of time at our institution.

Our C/S rate is climbing by the minute. Seems like we induce everyone too early and then have to C/S for failure to progress. I would guess we are at 15% on average which somedays seems like it is triple that. OUr anesthesiologists are not in house and we do very few VBAC's and have the OR staff and anesthesiologists in house for those. Just wondering what everyone else was doing regarding the C/S's and how feasible it is for us. Thanks for all the responses. Sharon

The OR berates us on a regulr basis, but they must come in for all C/S. We only do 60 deliveries per month, so it would be hard to have us all oriented and up to date w/ our skills. We do baby nurse right now and it is sometimes months between C/S that you might have to go to. If we oriented some of our staff, then we would have to make sure when people went on vacation, etc. there was always coverage. Works for larger hospitals, but I think it is hard for smaller ones.

If you only have a 15% C/S rate, you are doing fine!! Be extremely proud of yourself. Our's was 18% at one time (and we are low intervention, low risk and have CNM's) but the rate is now up in the 30's%. I feel that part of that is due to this "let's induce early" mentality and the convenience factor. We try and address this issue in our childbirth classes but then the docs intervene and the patient often doesn't even question the doc. So much for advocating for yourself!

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I work in a large teaching hospital and we have 2 OR suites in the OB department. The L&D nursing staff take care of everything.

It's very rare for them to do a C/S in one of the main ORs. The only times I've seen it are when it's a very unique situation, like if the mother had something else going on that required immediate surgery and they decided to just get the baby out ASAP. We've also had them in the main OR for babies who were diagnosed prenatally with surgical problems requiring immediate intervention - gastroscisis, omphalocele, airway tumors with possible need for immediate cannulation and ECMO, etc. It is usually the regular OR staff, including nurses, during these C/S. Our high risk delivery team from the NICU attends all C/S, regardless of location.

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I haven't been on here in a while and I nearly fell out when I read your post! The hospital I work for sounds almost exactly the same size as yours and this is one of my main gripes about my job.

We have a c-section room on the L&D wing. From 7a-5p, the surgery staff is supposed to be available to us, and they are, the problem is that they expect at least one of us to assist with each section. They are very rude to us and they act as though they are doing us a favor by helping us. There are days when there is actually only one of us on the floor and when we finally do get help, they are usually taken away from us to assist with the sections! After 5p, we have one RN on call and one surgery nurse.

We stay extremely short staffed as is, and now everyone is constantly getting called off because of low census (usually the census is much higher in our area than the rest of the hospital). Our L&D, nursery, and postpartum nurses are all overworked and the added stress of having to help with sections is about to drive us all away. When we finally get a badly needed day off, we spend it on call half the time.

This has been a very sore spot with me lately (as you can tell, lol), but I am so glad to have somewhere to vent about it!

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We do it all.......circulate, provide the tech and also baby nurse on our own surgical suite. The doctor must arrange his/her own assistant. The only time central OR gets involved in any way is in a true emergency or when for some reason, both our OR's are in use at that exact time (emergent need). That is as rare as can be, thankfully.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

It turns out that we're going back to the old way, starting Monday. The first assist and tech come from the OR, and the circulator and baby nurse are from L and D. This will go on untill the maternity nurses go though some more training on the instruments. I feel like they were given very little time to learn that stuff, and just thrown into it.

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Sounds like the safest way to go, Marie!

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(I think one of the biggest issues was the sterile technique though)

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I bet....it does come up frequently.

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