"Babywise!" Help! Friend swears by it. - page 3

One of my friends just gave birth to her first son. She is a staunch believer in the 'Babywise' method and has all of the books. She said when she was in the hospital and the nurses saw she was... Read More

  1. by   HollyWA
    I've never posted here before--but I have experience with Babywise---with 2 of my kids. It was a lifesaver for us. Even the NP that I worked with loved it for her kids. I put my babies on a schedule--or "routine". Eat, play, sleep. That's the order. Fed every 3 or so hours. Sometimes 2.5--sometimes 3.5. Not strict. You adjust for growing spurts. Those two babies both slept thru the night by 9 weeks. (10-12 hours). They didn't have FTT, they were in the 75-90% in weight/height. VERY happy babies. Secure.
    My reasons for trying Babywise in the first place was not to get my baby to sleep at night, but to get my baby to stop eating every 1-1.5 hours, puking after feedings, and then screaming until the next feeding again. I demand fed her. Within 1 day of this "schedule"(waiting 3 hours to feed her, play, sleep)--she stopped puking and became a very happy baby. Within a couple of days--this schedule was HER schedule and was not forced. Worked so well with her--I used it again with my son.

    I have choose not to do it again with my last daughter.
  2. by   Figaro's Mom
    Hi Holly! Welcome to allnurses.com. (Sounds weird coming from someone who isn't a nurse!)

    You sound like you were flexible enough and level-headed enough to modify the Babywise technique somewhat. My fear is with people who cannot be flexible....:stone You know the type.

    My husband also acknowledged that for people who are learning the Babywise technique through workshops, perhaps some concern could/should be laid at the feet of the instructors. Who knows.

    There are lots of people who will acknowledge that Babywise HAS worked for them....but I guess concerns outweigh successes. Something is up if this guy's publisher drops him out of fear of liability.

    I have taken the advice of looking into 'Secrets of the Baby Whisperer' and it looks like it isn't nearly as stringent as Babywise COULD be, but still advocates 'schedules.' One thing I noticed in the reviews for 'Baby Whisperer' is that the author was advocating single breast feeding (not alternating), which I understand to be just plain wrong.

    I am learning so much!
  3. by   HollyWA
    What do you mean--"single breastfeeding"? At each feeding? Or never nursing on one side?

    I've only nursed on one side at a time--good, fatty hindmilk when doing this.

    Yes--I know some people who take what they read to heart and follow it as "law". When I did BW--I never knew of anything bad from it. My dd is 6y now and my son is 2.5y. I was never on the internet much--so I knew nothing about Ezzo. Now with my 4th child--I choose not to do it--in fact just the opposite--co-sleep, babywearing, etc. Now at 10 mo old--I sometimes wish I would have gone back and done it. She nurses all night long and has to be touching my warm body. I haven't gotten much sleep in the past year. With the others--it was a necessity for me to sleep at night. I worked nights, had no sitters when I came home, stayed up all day and HAD to sleep that night. I worked like every other night. For my lifestyle--I had to get some sleep.

    Since I don't work now--it wasn't as important to get any sleep with my last baby. Plus--I had no choice by to have her in my room. Can't put her in with a spirited 2.5yo!!!
  4. by   Figaro's Mom
    Didn't Dr. Sears put out a book about sleep patterns for baby?
  5. by   Figaro's Mom
    Ah, Holly, oh yeah, about the breastfeeding...sorry I was screwed up. Here is what one of the critiques said regarding 'Baby Whisperer':

    "I also question her suggestion to express milk BEFORE feeding the baby and using this expressed milk for a bottle feed later in the day. The milk expressed at the beginning would be foremilk. This store of milk, without the balancing effect of the later hind milk, would cause gas in poor, unsuspecting infants."

    Someone else also said: "My biggest complaint is the chapter on breastfeeding. It was terrible, really! Some of her information is just crazy. For example, she says you must drink SIXTEEN GLASSES of water a day. She also says you must wipe your nipples with a cloth after nursing to prevent bacteria from growing. However, women have glands around their nipples which secrete an antibacterial substance, so this is completely unnecessary. I would recommend anyone skip the entire chapter and read a separate book on breastfeeding. I suggest So That's What They're For by Janet Tamaro, as it is written in a similar tone."

    I will take a look at "Nighttime Parenting: How to Get Your Baby and Child to Sleep (LA Leche League International Book)" by Dr. Sears and see what's up with that. I've heard nothing but good things about him. If my friend is still bent on 'scheduling' then perhaps I'll suggest 'Baby Whisperer' to her.
  6. by   dawngloves
    Originally posted by Figaro's Mom
    Didn't Dr. Sears put out a book about sleep patterns for baby?
    There's a pattern?!
  7. by   Figaro's Mom
    Originally posted by dawngloves

    There's a pattern?!
    Ah no, I have scheduling on the brain

    I found the Dr. Sears title I was looking for.
  8. by   Cindy_A
    So, I am curious. Anyojne know how Ezzo's kids are? Or does he even have any?
  9. by   Nursetobe
    "I've never posted here before--but I have experience with Babywise---with 2 of my kids. It was a lifesaver for us. Even the NP that I worked with loved it for her kids. I put my babies on a schedule--or "routine". Eat, play, sleep. That's the order. Fed every 3 or so hours. Sometimes 2.5--sometimes 3.5. Not strict. You adjust for growing spurts. Those two babies both slept thru the night by 9 weeks. (10-12 hours). They didn't have FTT, they were in the 75-90% in weight/height. VERY happy babies. Secure.
    My reasons for trying Babywise in the first place was not to get my baby to sleep at night, but to get my baby to stop eating every 1-1.5 hours, puking after feedings, and then screaming until the next feeding again. I demand fed her. Within 1 day of this "schedule"(waiting 3 hours to feed her, play, sleep)--she stopped puking and became a very happy baby. Within a couple of days--this schedule was HER schedule and was not forced. Worked so well with her--I used it again with my son. "

    I agree that babies do well with a routine, mine put themselves on a routine within the first few weeks. My problem is that there are some parents, my brother in law and sister in law, that are so rigid that they will leave their baby to cry for 2 hours because "it's not time to play or eat." What really p***es me off is that my in laws refuse to feed the baby unless it's been x amount of hours since he's eaten - even if the poor kid is screaming his head off and obviously hungry. But my brother in law (who is fat) will stuff his face all hours of the day. I have been really tempted to ask him if he's waited 3 hours since the last time he's eaten, but I promised my husband that I wouldn't start any arguments....
  10. by   HollyWA
    YES!! That is the problem with that book. Parents really think that if they don't do it ACTUALLY the way it says--then their baby is not going to be "perfect", and sleeping. I was like that in the beginning. My sister who used it also--told me to relax and just not be so strict. The baby will tell you when they are hungry. We we had growing spurts--I would try to feed sooner then 3 hours and for longer---for a about a day or so. Then we would get back on routine again. Sometimes the baby gets sick and the whole "routine" is out the window--but I never let my baby cry when they were sick and not on schedule!!
    It's sad to think that some parents would not listen to their baby's cues for the sake of the "schedule".
  11. by   fergus51
    Originally posted by shay
    Tell her what I tell all parents/family members who voice concerns over 'spoiling' a baby by holding it.

    Ahem, " YOU CANNOT SPOIL A CHILD WITH LOVE. YOU SPOIL WITH NINTENDO OR BARBIE DOLLS. BUT YOU CAN NEVER, EVER SPOIL A CHILD BY GIVING IT LOVE."

    'Kay? Remind her of that. If she's concerned about spoiling the kid, tell her to go easy on toys and sugary snacks, and to enforce the house rules. Nothing burns my butt more than to hear a grandmother (it's ALWAYS some stupid grandmother...no offense, grannies) say to the mother, 'you're going to spoil that child by holding it so much!!' Please.

    Also remind her that bf on demand increases milk production, and not doing so could actually decrease her milk supply.

    Then snake that book away from her and BURN IT.
    Shay, I luv ya. That is the best answer I have ever heard!:kiss
  12. by   shay
    Ty Fergus. Ditto for you.
  13. by   CMTMom
    Hi all, I'm new here but had to register to reply to this thread! Figaro's, you may also want to let your friend know that not only has Gary Ezzo been excommunicated from many churches, he has been spoken against by the AAP. In addition, his publisher, Multnomah Publishers, refused to renew his contract after numerous medical professionals brought to their attention that they were publishing medically unsound advice and that the advice contained in Ezzo's books is potentially harmful to babies.

    here are some anti-Ezzo links you can peruse and print at your leisure:

    http://www.ezzo.info/Aney/Aneypacket.htm (this link is especially good, provides many additional links)
    http://www.ezzo.info/Aney/aapsummary.pdf
    http://www.ezzo.info/Aney/hcpsigners.pdf
    http://www.ezzo.info/Aney/coversheet...uctorynote.pdf
    http://www.ezzo.info/Aney/aneyaap.htm
    http://www.guerrillagrrls.com/editor.html

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