Prioritization question - need help with rationale - page 2

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Hi! I'm trying to find out which is the correct answer to the following prioritization question: A 30-year-old client is brought to an emergency trauma center with a hand injury from a nail gun sustained while remodeling an... Read More


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    Blood type. Rationale - to give type specific blood if the patient needs transfusion since he is bleeding. Blood alcohol level doesn't really help much, tdap can wait, date and time of last voiding might be inaccurate since the patient might be too intoxicated to even answer the questions correctly.
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    Yeah, blood type but only because I'm applying the "Test Strategy Rules". They only put pertinent information in the question so you have to ask "why do I care if he's been drinking?" Alcohol is a blood thinner and while I don't think a nail gun injury to the hand is going to require a transfusion, the question is setting it up that way. In the real world however, none of this are particularly important assessments to make other than the tetanus question. In fact, I'd say asking him if the wound was intentional would be the priority question and if he had plans of hurting himself or others.
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    I would go with d. Tetanus would be the highest priority at the moment.

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    I think the odds of a patient needing a blood transfusion from a nail sized hole are pretty darn slim.

    One of the first things that would be done with a wound like that would be giving a tetanus shot if the pt wasn't current, so I'd go with D as a priority. In fact I had a pt in the ER last week that did something similar. One of the very first things he was asked was if he was current on his shots.

    Even if alcohol use delays the tetanus shot, you still need to know if the pt even needs one before the alcohol would even become a concern, no?
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    Thank you very much, everyone, for sacrificing your own time to research this matter or to provide me with your precious input. Prioritization questions are always difficult to tackle, especially when you need more knowledge of protocols and procedures. I appreciate each and every individual contributions in the highest.
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    In the ER, it's the tetanus! Dirty puncture = tetanus.

    Blood type: Are they massively bleeding from the nail? Not unless it hit an artery!

    Blood alcohol: nice to know, but treat patient first.

    Voiding time: may be inaccurate due to alcohol, also not significant at this time.
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    I agree with grn tea.......when was the last tetnas. What was the answer?
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    Quote from Ciale
    Yeah, blood type but only because I'm applying the "Test Strategy Rules". They only put pertinent information in the question so you have to ask "why do I care if he's been drinking?" Alcohol is a blood thinner and while I don't think a nail gun injury to the hand is going to require a transfusion, the question is setting it up that way. In the real world however, none of this are particularly important assessments to make other than the tetanus question. In fact, I'd say asking him if the wound was intentional would be the priority question and if he had plans of hurting himself or others.

    1) "Alcohol is a blood thinner"?? Alcohol is not an anticoagulant. People with very bad livers can have deficient clotting factors, but they aren't usually still working if they're that sick and there's no other information here to make you suspect this. Don't read too much into the question.

    Please, everyone, do not use the term "blood thinners," because it makes patients think of water in the milk or turpentine in the paint. Anticoagulants do not thin the blood, they decrease its clotting ability. I know you will hear other nurses and even doctors use this term speaking to patients because they think "anticoagulant" is a big scary/confusing word. They are wrong to do so. I've heard people say that they are always cold when they take warfarin because they have thin blood. Obviously not the case, so someone has missed the boat on patient teaching and this resulted in confusion they tried to avoid.


    Think about your patient teaching: If you are teaching someone about his anticoagulant medications, how do you reinforce the idea of why he takes them if he thinks it has to do with thinning blood and not making clots?


    "Your heartbeat is irregular, atrial fibrillation, and that increases the chances that a blood clot will form in your heart. (Or, "You have a tendency to form clots in the deep veins in your leg. These could travel to your heart and lungs and be dangerous.") So we give you this medication to decrease your clotting. We test your blood every X days/weeks/months to see that the dose is still correct, by looking at how long your blood takes to clot. While you are taking this medication, called an "anticoagulant," your blood will not clot as fast as normal, so you should avoid things that might result in injury like ..... You should look out for easy bruising or bleeding, or bleeding that doesn't stop, black in your stools or if you vomit blood; tell your healthcare provider right away."


    Is that so hard? Get in the habit of doing it right in the first place and you won't have to change your language later.

    2) There is no indication that this injury was intentional or that there is any reason to suspect that he would be a danger to others. People who self-mutilate are more often female (although there are some males who do cut), and they don't tend to use power tools at a workplace to do it.
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    What about blood alcohol level with regards to ability to consent for treatment? Wouldn't you need to know if he is able to consent before giving immunization or typing blood?
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    Quote from AnonymousSPN
    What about blood alcohol level with regards to ability to consent for treatment? Wouldn't you need to know if he is able to consent before giving immunization or typing blood?
    If the client is coherent enough to have a conversation and tell you that he drank 3 beers over the course of 3 hours (which is not an excessive amount since your liver can metabolize one drink/hr), I'm doubting that he's so sloshed that he can't consent for treatment. There's nothing in this question that should lead you believe that he cannot... he presented to the ER for treatment, he was able to recall how the injury happened and what he was doing and he admits to how much he drank.

    I agree with the majority... tetanus is your priority. A small puncture wound to the hand isn't going to result in massive blood loss requiring a transfusion, his BAL is more than likely irrelevant to his care and who cares when the last time he peed was?
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