Help! Effect of nursing shortage on nursing management and leadership

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Feb 19, 2012

Of course you do, although sometimes the written word comes off differently than if you saw them in person. Many students do come here for the "easy answer" and as someone who spends a TON of time helping out students, there is a serious lack of thank you and an abundance of sarcasm when you lead them to conclude the right answer instead of giveing them the answer. Most of the AN members are full time workers and we are discouraged and disillusioned with the track nursing is being pushed into by greedy administration with big time CEOs and 6 or 7 figure bonuses when we haven't had a raise in 4 years.

This is a profession filled with very bright, intelligent, strong willed, perfectionists that aren't afraid to speak their minds. A job hazard so to speak. There are those who LOVE to provoke. Be the bigger man.......don't engage and step away form the keyboard. Don't give them the satisfaction.......Peace:cheers:

allnurses Guide · Feb 19, 2012

first of all i don't understand and don't appreciate why people here take so much offense of what i've posted. the things that i stated regarding the shortage are something that i didn't made up or assumed on my own.
i got most of them from AACN American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Nursing Shortage.
I didn't put up this post to argue whether the shortage does exist or not.
Also, concerning with nursing management and leadership. I don't think i'm being clear that the reason i'm mentioning it together nursing shortage is because in my paper i have to somehow tie those two together.

What people are trying to say is that when you are going to discourse on a subject a false premise negates it's conclusions. All anyone is trying to communicate to you is the premise "there is a nursing shortage" is no longer valid except inside classrooms populated by the people you got your statistics from. It's sort of like asking for health statistics on cigarettes and going to RJ Reynolds for your statistics.

Since I'm assuming it was your choice to include the nursing shortage aspect you can either pretend nobody disputes the existence of a shortage or you can rethink your subject matter.

So i was thinking leadership and management does not soley rest on high management or administrative positions, that registered nurses could also practice this two while giving patient care at the bedside.

That sounds like a basis for an interesting paper all by itself. You could include something about the effect of managers and leaders who still practice at the bedside in their capacities as administrators and leaders.

kids · Feb 19, 2012

i know i have posted this in a different forum but i'm trying to get as many helpful feedback as possible
The last forum i posted this on gave me nothing but an uneducated feedback
I have a paper due next week on nursing leadership and management
we have to pick a topic and discuss how the topic we pick impacts or affects nursing leadership and management.
the topic i obviously picked is nursing shortage
so what i have so far in my outline is because of the shortage in nursing which are compounded and caused by:
- deficit in nursing program faculties are limiting the number of enrollments
- the rise in the elderly population calls for more nurses to provide health care
- increasing stress levels due to insufficient staffing causes more nurses to leave the workforce.
fewer nurses with leadership and management skills are being produced at the baccalaureate level.
and that's where my problem is. i can't think of anything else. i wanted to state another or probably two more reasons in my paper.
also by management i don't mean in administrative positions but nursing management and leadership that can be done at the bedside~ i'm not sure of this either.
sorry if i have trouble finding the right words to explain things.
i appreciate all the constructive criticism i could get.

You got some very well thought out responses in your other thread, that you don't like them doesn't make them uneducated.

You don't seem to 'get' that that the points in your outline are false or outdated.

There currently is NO shortage of nurses, any (regional) shortages are due to distribution.

-Nursing programs are at saturation point due to record numbers of applicants, they create a NEEDED bottleneck in supply because the market on the other end is saturated.

-Healthcare utilization is currently DOWN despite the aging population.

-Nurses are returning to, or remaining in, the workforce faster than they are leaving.

-ADN to BSN and accelerated BSN programs are as saturated as ADN programs. The proliferation of online ADN to BSN programs means that advancing ones education is more accessible than ever before. I'll wager that MORE nurses with "nurses with leadership and management skills are being produced at the baccalaureate level" than ever before.

The impact the (lack of a ) nursing shortage has on "leadership and management" is that nurses are a dime a dozen and employed nurses will do just about anything to keep a paycheck coming in.

If you're hell bent on writing this paper as you've started you need to put it in a historical perspective, there used to be a nursing shortage. The current topic is the LACK of a nursing shortage and it's effect on "leadership and management".

You seem to be basing your paper off a MARKETING tool from an organization whose "Strategic Plan" is to push baccalaureate level education over 'lesser' levels of education and relies on a lot of outdated numbers and talking points to further their agenda. You're relying on and treating a sales pitch like it's an unbiased, reliable source. Hopefully this font is big enough to get my point across, I can add some color if you still don't get it.

SHGR, MSN, RN, CNS · Feb 19, 2012

What people are trying to say is that when you are going to discourse on a subject a false premise negates it's conclusions. All anyone is trying to communicate to you is the premise "there is a nursing shortage" is no longer valid except inside classrooms populated by the people you got your statistics from. It's sort of like asking for health statistics on cigarettes and going to RJ Reynolds for your statistics.
Since I'm assuming it was your choice to include the nursing shortage aspect you can either pretend nobody disputes the existence of a shortage or you can rethink your subject matter.
"So i was thinking leadership and management does not soley rest on high management or administrative positions, that registered nurses could also practice this two while giving patient care at the bedside."

That sounds like a basis for an interesting paper all by itself. You could include something about the effect of managers and leaders who still practice at the bedside in their capacities as administrators and leaders.

Another hot topic right now that leads organically from this idea is, "what's with the CNL role". That would be a great paper too.

What we're trying to say is, if you are hitting a brick wall with your topic, try a new direction. Researching a topic can lead to all kinds of discoveries- including that your original premise was untrue.

MN-Nurse, ASN, RN · Feb 19, 2012

Be sure to include in your paper that the sources who keep screaming about a "Nursing shortage" are those funded by nursing schools.

purpletouch · Feb 19, 2012

yes you need to add color to your post so you could clearly see how you misunderstood what i was saying. i did not come here to argue whether nursing shortage exist or not. i came here to ask for additional information. i get that it's just some false advertisement. but that's what they want us to learn in class and that is what they want us to write a paper on. i have no choice. if you don't like that idea don't take it out on me. and since when what universe do you live in makes a well thought out comment. i'm so done with all these hostility

VickyRN, MSN, DNP, RN · Feb 19, 2012

This thread has run its course and is now closed for a cool-down period.