Hi all, a elderly PD patient goes to ER for a trip and fall on a wednesday everything is fine, thursday 1 hour hip surgery went great, gets demerol in the PACU, becomes confused, late thursday, friday and saturday gets a IV push with Haldol, sunday crashes with respiratory failure, mild heart attack, arrhythmia and is developing aspiration Pneumonia taken to ICU, advances his PD to stage 5, gets dysphagia dies 5 days later with fatal heart attack, advanced pd, aspiration Pneumonia and dysphagia.
Patient lived alone with stage 2 pd, drove a car, took walks, shopped prior to incident.
Haldol is contradicted in PD, PDR says don't take Haldol if allergic or have PD, FDA says no IV haldol let alone to push it, patient was on parcopa which is adverse with Haldol. also no informed consent on the Haldol, california law says informed consent for Haldol and the elderly. I cant see a doctor telling the patient/guardian I would like to give a med contradicted in your illness and push it, which is not approved either, so I can calm you.
After the guardian heard of the Haldol signed a physical restraint consent form, then came the Ativan
1. Should the RN catch the medication error? should the RN check to make sure informed consent is in place.
2. Why would a internal med doctor order Haldol for a PD patient if the outcome is to calm him? and signs off on med eval that the patient has PD, does not consult neurologist.
3. The Haldol induced everything research said it would in a none PD patient, 10 fold in the PD patient who already lacks dopamine.
A. Who is at fault the Doctor for the order or the RN for following it?
B. No one, he would have died anyway elderly get aspiration Pneumonia often from surgery.
C. No matter what else the Haldol did as it said and advanced the PD and froze the patient
And finally many of you are RN's if a doctor tells you to push a drug IV and you know it is contradicted would you do it anyway?
Can a nurse tell a doctor he is wrong?
Someone had to hit "Ignore" or "Override" on the MC-1 when it flagged parcopa/levodopa and Haldol.
And the levaquin he was given is adverse with the Haldol
I attended a dinner meeting where a prominent Toledo Doctor spoke and I [chatted] at length with him following the presentation. He urged EVERYONE diagnosed with Parkinsons Disease to contact EVERY doctor they see and add HALDOL (Haloperidol is a typical antipsychotic drug) to the list of meds they are allergic to. He said when asked what the side effects are, tell them "IT WILL KILL ME" and that should get medical staff attention. Said it 'blocks' the dopamine and the patient "FREEZES", among other life-threatening reactions.
A very nice RN stated this:
I am an RN and I have had PD for 5 years.
It is unfortunate how misinformed and uneducated many healthcare professionals are regarding PD. Steps are being taken to improve this by developing continuing education for nurses.
It is so important that we as patients and caregivers arm ourselves with as much knowledge as possible because we are often the ones who must educate the staff who are caring for us or our loved ones.
It is important to note that while Haldol is contraindicated for PD so are many other antipsychotics as well as other commonly used medications. Below is a list of drugs contraindicated in PD. It is by no means a comprehensive list but the best one I have found online. It is from the pdasd.org website (PD Assoc of San Diego). APDA also has a nice pamphlet which also includes other drugs that interact with PD meds. Please obtain a copy from APDA or other PD organization or print this list and carry it with you.
Triavil Combination of Perphenazine & Amitriptyline
BLOOD PRESSURE; POST-OPPERATION
*Eldepryl should never be taken with Demerol or any other opiod, MAI, or elective
serotonin reuptake inhibitor such as Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, or tricyclic antidepressants.
Thank You All So Much For Your Comments and Insight...
I am a PD advocate and want to help PD sufferers when they enter the hospital and I realize in some deceases our doctors and nurses cannot possibly know everything about certain afflictions, the more we all know the better we can all heal the ill, both patient and caregiver..........
Oct 14, '10
by Pd Advocate
Quote from tyvin
I was taught in nursing school not to give Haldol to any elderly patient. Also; never give elderly people Demerol; it has a live metabolite that can have catastrophic effects on the elderly.
I worked in an Alzheimer's unit years ago and almost every elderly resident had a PRN Haldol order. I got every order d/c'ed or switched to Ativan. I would also like to bring up the med Darvocet and the elderly, yes it is contraindicated with them and there is plenty of research to back it up; it also has a live metabolite. I got all those orders changed as well at that place and any other place I've ever worked I have refused to take orders for Haldol, Darvocet, and Demerol when it is ordered for an elderly person. Also with Darvocet when one has to crush it for the person to swallow the taste is so nasty I consider it extremely cruel to do that to a person.
All the docs that have ever tried to order any one of these 3 meds for an elderly person I've got orders changed or had them make another choice. All the docs were very receptive to my information about what these certain meds can do to our older people.
To conclude I would never push anything "just" because there is an order for it and as an RN I must take full responsibility with the med orders meaning I will catch it if the doc messes up. And if I don't then we both go down. As with any order that I have a concern with it doesn't get filled until I am satisfied about the parameters, populations etc...
Thank You Tyvin, thats great info and I am glad to see you are caring and concerned for your patients well being, a 20 year RN told me this (bless her soul) " I don't care what the doctor says or orders, I am not going to do anything to you, that I would not want done to myself".
Your comment about taking responsibility is very interesting, as I thought that as well, one would think someone should have caught the fact Haldol is contradicted for PD.
Last edit by sirI on Oct 19, '10
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