California and Distant Learning

  1. Hello to everyone on allnurses

    I am Shonda and I am in Southern California.
    I have been trying to find programs that California would not have problems with as far as distant learning for nursing students.
    I am curious and would like to hear from other nursing students in California.

    Besides Excelsiors College are there any other distant education programs out there that a Californian can get into for nursing and be recognized by California?

    Also to get the pre-reqs done what are some good distant learning schools to enroll in that can help with getting pre-res out of the way even with the labs.

    Any information would be appreciated.

    Thanks so much and God Bless :angel2:
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  2. 12 Comments

  3. by   deej
    If you aren't already an LVN, the only pre-licensure distance learning option left to you in California is Deaconess.

    As far as prerequisites are concerned, there are quite a few DL schools that offer science classes with lab components, but it's best to see what your prospective school requires before starting to focus on that. The database at Excelsior (distancelearn.excelsior.edu) has a pretty comprehensive list.

    DJ
  4. by   Nurse2B73
    Quote from deej
    If you aren't already an LVN, the only pre-licensure distance learning option left to you in California is Deaconess.

    As far as prerequisites are concerned, there are quite a few DL schools that offer science classes with lab components, but it's best to see what your prospective school requires before starting to focus on that. The database at Excelsior (distancelearn.excelsior.edu) has a pretty comprehensive list.

    DJ
    Thanks I appreciate it. Will California except Deaconess education is the question now. If I get my nursing degree from them would it be excepted here in Cali?

    I wonder.
    God Bless
  5. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Nurse2B73
    Thanks I appreciate it. Will California except Deaconess education is the question now. If I get my nursing degree from them would it be excepted here in Cali?

    I wonder.
    God Bless
    I don't think DCN is accepted in CA, but the best thing to do is to call the BORN to find out for sure.

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/
  6. by   Nurse2B73
    Quote from lizz
    I don't think DCN is accepted in CA, but the best thing to do is to call the BORN to find out for sure.

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/

    I did call and they just mentioned that there needs to be clinical time and they did not know much about the school. They questioned the clinicals and how would they be done. I would have to call and get info on that.

    Thanks though
  7. by   deej
    I don't see why CA wouldn't accept Deaconess. It's NLN accredited, and it has a substantial clinical component (if I understand correctly, you find a clinical preceptor in your local area.)

    DJ
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from deej
    I don't see why CA wouldn't accept Deaconess. It's NLN accredited, and it has a substantial clinical component (if I understand correctly, you find a clinical preceptor in your local area.)
    DJ
    California has many requirements for clinicals, which EC couldn't fulfill, even though they are NLN accredited. This is why EC is no longer accepted. So it wouldn't be surprizing if DCN can't meet those requirements either.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 28, '04
  9. by   mona b RN
    Quote from lizz
    California has many requirements for clinicals, which EC couldn't fulfill, even though they are NLN accredited. This is why EC is no longer accepted. So it wouldn't be surprizing if DCN can't meet those requirements either.

    I would be very surprised if DCN was not accepted in Ca. Aren't the issues that Ca has with EC related to clinicals? There are many hours of clinicals incorporated into DCN's program. However, Ca seems to do things differently so who knows how they would react to DCN.

    Keep in mind that DCN and EC are two different animals. First and most importantly with DCN there are the clinicals, secondly, you are eligible for pn licensure once the first year is completed.

    mona
  10. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mona b
    I would be very surprised if DCN was not accepted in Ca. Aren't the issues that Ca has with EC related to clinicals? There are many hours of clinicals incorporated into DCN's program. However, Ca seems to do things differently so who knows how they would react to DCN.

    Keep in mind that DCN and EC are two different animals. First and most importantly with DCN there are the clinicals, secondly, you are eligible for pn licensure once the first year is completed.

    mona
    You may be right, although I've never heard of anyone going through DCN in CA. I've only heard of people going through EC and that was, of course, before the state disallowed it. This is why I don't think DCN is accepted, but I could be wrong.

    I mentioned EC because the clinical requirements came up with that issue, and there are many. Just to name a few: You have to have state certified instructors, and the school has to have contracts with hospitals to conduct the clinicals. The clinicals have to be conducted concurrently with academic course work. The clinicals have to include various specialities which usually involve not one but several hospitals, since most hospitals don't have all of the specialties. (For example, my school has contracts with a dozen hospitals to cover all the required specialties.) And, if I'm not mistaken, you have to document at least 360 clinical hours supervised by the state certified instructors.

    The state asked EC to meet these requirements and more, but they couldn't. Seems like it would be difficult for any distance learning program to meet all of those requirements but, once again, I could be wrong.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 28, '04
  11. by   mona b RN
    Quote from lizz
    You may be right, although I've never heard of anyone going through DCN in CA. I've only heard of people going through EC and that was, of course, before the state disallowed it. This is why I don't think DCN is accepted, but I could be wrong.

    I mentioned EC because the clinical requirements came up with that issue, and there are many. Just to name a few: You have to have state certified instructors, and the school has to have contracts with hospitals to conduct the clinicals. The clinicals have to be conducted concurrently with academic course work. The clinicals have to include various specialities which usually involve not one but several hospitals, since most hospitals don't have all of the specialties. (For example, my school has contracts with a dozen hospitals to cover all the required specialties.) And, if I'm not mistaken, you have to document at least 360 clinical hours supervised by the state certified instructors.

    The state asked EC to meet these requirements and more, but they couldn't. Seems like it would be difficult for any distance learning program to meet all of those requirements but, once again, I could be wrong.
    I have people from Cali in my class. The clinicals and academic issues mentioned are all covered by DCN. What it comes down to is that basically DCN provides lectures online and everything else is done the same as if it were a local program. Contracts are drawn up between the school and the hospital. It is a very controlled and documented process. It really is nothing like EC.


    mona
  12. by   Sheri257
    Well, I did a search for Deaconess on the Ca BORN website, and even though EC and other online programs, like the University of Phoenix, are mentioned, Deaconess isn't. If they are approved, you'd think they'd show up somewhere on the BORN website, like the other online programs. But maybe I'm missing something.

    The only other thing I could find with a quick google search was a nursing resource site, but it only lists Deaconess for RN-BSN programs in CA. Still, Deaconess isn't on the BORN approved schools list, even for that.

    Weird.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 28, '04
  13. by   Nurse2B73
    Quote from mona b
    I have people from Cali in my class. The clinicals and academic issues mentioned are all covered by DCN. What it comes down to is that basically DCN provides lectures online and everything else is done the same as if it were a local program. Contracts are drawn up between the school and the hospital. It is a very controlled and documented process. It really is nothing like EC.


    mona
    Mona Please let me know more. I am interested in doing my course online and if there is a way to do I would love to. If you know of anyone online here that is in Cali and taking the Nursing course DCN please put me in contact with them. I would love to get advice from them on what to do and how I should go about it.

    I would love to get that info.

    Also does anyone know of any good LVN programes that may be online or that is in the evening in Southern California?

    Thanks so much
    Shonda
  14. by   mona b RN
    Quote from Nurse2B73
    Mona Please let me know more. I am interested in doing my course online and if there is a way to do I would love to. If you know of anyone online here that is in Cali and taking the Nursing course DCN please put me in contact with them. I would love to get advice from them on what to do and how I should go about it.

    I would love to get that info.

    Also does anyone know of any good LVN programes that may be online or that is in the evening in Southern California?

    Thanks so much
    Shonda

    Shonda,

    The best thing to do would be to call DCN and ask them for information. They may even be able to help you with the Cali issues.


    Good Luck

    mona

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