Another nurse bites the dust due to facebook - page 6

I don't know the woman in question, yet news reports acknowledge that facebook has caused another job termination casualty in the nursing community. I know there are numerous posts regarding this... Read More

  1. by   dudette10
    Quote from TDCHIM
    As I said, I certainly am not supporting anyone blathering about work-related issues on FB or Twitter. However, when it comes to me expressing my views about non-work issues, that's another story. For instance, what if I stated my annoyance about a local, non-work-related city project (without using profane language) on a FB update. Should that be grounds for me to be written up, because it might somehow, some way make my employer "look bad" to someone out there? I believe that sort of thing is inappropriate. I'm an employee, not an indentured servant or serf. I could say the same thing in the Letters to the Editor of my local paper - should that be an acceptable reason for being written up by my employer? How will any of us be able to express our views about anything in another 20 years if this sort of thing continues?
    I agree with you. I do see the wisdom in protecting oneself by "not putting it out there," but a part of me is sickened by the necessity of doing so in the situations you describe above.

    Business treads into the personal lives of employees where the federal government wouldn't dare due to our Constitutional rights. The incident where someone complained about roadwork and was reprimanded for it is a prime example. Our founding fathers told us it is our responsibility to question our government (including complaining about the bright idea to work on too many lanes at one time for over a mile of road), but our employers are telling us not to and reprimanding us for it? As you stated, it becomes very Big Brother-like to take away the right of expressing a political or social opinion when it in no way violates the other laws that govern a professional's actions in the workplace.

    That said, the nurse in the original story here was way, way, way out of line and violated the law governing privacy.
  2. by   GtownhoyasDC
    Well, to be honest, I have a Facebook, and use it rather often. but this isn't Facebook's fault. She knew the risks, and well, she had it coming. I would never put where I worked at on Facebook for starters, I also would change the privacy settings to where only friends can see it. I had members of my family send me friend requests because their pages were so private to the point to where I had difficulty finding it. At the end of the day, however, she didn't have to post anything on there, because she knew there was the chance that someone could find out about it. And although I don't like how someone can infringe on someone's privacy, it still was her fault.

    All more two say about this is that if you do have a Facebook, use some common sense and try to think to rationally about posting anything that comes into mind on there...
  3. by   SweettartRN
    I am going to play devil's advocate here; I think that if she can find a lawyer, she can probably get her job back.
    Here's why:
    It is said that she wrote that she came face to face with a cop killer and hoped he rotted in hell.

    If that is what she REALLY wrote, then who's to say she didn't run into him at the gas station, the grocery store, visiting a friend in jail, etc.
    There was nothing in that statement to say that she did this at work, at a specific hospital nor who the person was.

    We have the right to freedom of speech still in this country. I don't see where HIPPA was violated except by CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence, which is usually not even admissable in court.

    We have the right to exercise our liberties in the privacy of our own home. She did that, and I personally don't think she did anything wrong.

    Just MHO.
  4. by   goats'r'us
    of course she got fired, and so she should!

    sorry, you've had a hard day, but there are ways to vent and ways not to. without even thinking of legal guidelines etc, it's common sense that you don't identify your patients at all!! she didn't need to name him or discuss his medical condition, there's only so many people who fit the description of 'cop killer' in any hospital at any one time, and despite being a piece of crap, he has the right, just like anybody else, to expect silence from his medical team.

    it sucks, he's a scumbag and she's probably a nice person, but really, she should have known better, and unfortunately, got what she deserved.
  5. by   goats'r'us
    I just want to add, since I'm seeing a lot of 'i got off facebook, it's too dangerous' posts...

    I facebook. A lot. and sometimes I'll even complain about work on it, and I don't necessarily see the problem with that. BUT I take special care not to post identifying remarks, badmouth the organisation etc. 'goats'r'us had an awful day and feels like crying' - yes, I'd post that. 'goats'r'us had an awful day, thanks to dr..../certain case/management/a patient dying' - not ok!
    I guess what I'm saying is you can get your point across while keeping it general, mostly by keeping it all about you!
    If you can't look at a post and recognize that it might get you in trouble, and I don't just mean trouble at work, THEN you shouldn't be facebooking at all.
  6. by   belgarion
    Quote from dudette10
    You have to be kidding. Please say you're kidding. A comment about road work gets a nurse officially reprimanded? That's just stupid...and paranoid on the manager's part.

    The person in question was a former classmate of mine. Several of us get together once a week at a local cafe. To be honest, all of us were very skeptical when she told us this. Until of course she pulled out her copy of the reprimand. The wording went something like this - "The employee made several remarks on a social networking web site that could be interpreted to be critical of the State of Texas, and as such could possibly result in retaliation by state employed inspectors during upcoming facility inspections."

    Ridiculous and stupid? You bet. But it goes to show how far some of these employers will carry their paranoia. I guess it's a good thing the remarks weren't critical of the U.S. government. She would have probably gotten fired for fear the place would lose it's Medicare certification.
  7. by   dudette10
    Quote from belgarion

    "The employee made several remarks on a social networking web site that could be interpreted to be critical of the State of Texas, and as such could possibly result in retaliation by state employed inspectors during upcoming facility inspections."
    Is the nurse manager such a moron that she doesn't see how offensive her reprimand is to state employees? She's implying that they are petty, punitive, and retaliatory in their official capacities as inspectors! And, she put it on a formal reprimand that the state inspectors may be able to actually read as part of their jobs!

    What an idiot.
  8. by   livernrs
    She did not post anyone's name or her employer, so it is just conjecture on the part of the hospital. I would get a good lawyer.
  9. by   grish
    She was wrong. We need to protect people's privacy in the healthcare industry whether we like the person or not. It's our right to feel safe and secure and know that we can trust our healthcare providers.
  10. by   pagandeva2000
    I think that her comment may have been inappropriate because while she did not say a name, by saying 'cop killer', people knowing where she worked, etc...her comment was not really appropriate for facebook.

    What people have to keep in mind, however, is their conduct on facebook, twitter, etc... I used facebook, but to play games, keep current with my alumni and astronomy associations, and I enjoy posting positive or thought provoking quotes for people to read and ponder. Outside of that...saying what mood I'm in, discussing work, etc, is not done because these people are not my friends. And, we have to also keep in mind that judgements are being made about our participation on these social networks. An example is I have a friend who is returning to school and when I note that she has posted her reward points for games at 3am, but I also know she is not doing too well in class, I assume that she is more on facebook than she has her face in her textbook. Now, it could very well be that she has studied for hours and facebook is an outlet.

    We don't always know how people perceive us, so, we have to proceed in caution...even in our socialization. People violate our wishes to be 'tagged' and post your pics on facebook with no permission. I may have intended to go to that party, maybe already knew that a few people would take our pictures, but, I did not agree to have my face tagged and spliced all over facebook, myspace and twitter. Bottom line, the age of transparency is here...and people will take advantage of that in many ways to use against us.
  11. by   VNEducator101
    Just looking at this string-a little late to the party I know.

    "A very good reason to check your privacy settings...and not put anyone that you work with on your friends list."

    I think this misses the point. It is not about who you accept on Facebook-it's about maintaining patient privacy. How about not posting discussions/comments about patients? Then, it does not matter who you have as a friend, or what your privacy settings are.
  12. by   darrell
    Quote from tisgemuh
    Jobs take it too far sometimes imo...
    My friend was working in Pier One Imports and she was written up because she wrote, "I don't want to go to work today!" on her twitter. That's retarded. Everyone is entitled to their privacy and personal lives.
    I agree with the spirit of your opinion, but I'll add that there is no privacy. Posting online, including this response, makes the information public. I avoid details about work except the most generic especially because of HIPPA. I will, however, continue to feel free to post opinions. It will take some parts of the business community time to catch up, but the trend is obvious.

    I can find most addresses on Google Earth and zoom in to ground level and see the place as though I were standing outside it. I can find information on many people with their names and general locations - more or less according to whether I want to pay membership sites. Privacy still applies to what we think, but not so much to everything else. I really figure it's not worth stressing over anymore.

  13. by   livelaughlove09
    Quote from belgarion

    The nurse in question was foolish to think she wouldn't be held accountable for her remarks. That said I agree with the part about getting in trouble over political ideas or social commentary. One nurse I know was rather harshly reprimanded by her manager at the LTC where she works for posting a comment complaining about road repair work being done in front of her facility. She never mentioned where she worked or even the exact location of the work. The project is about a mile and a half long and there are several businesses in that stretch. She specifically complained about the dust, the noise, how hard it was to get in and out of the area, and the fact the project was already six weeks behind with no end in sight. In the paperwork she showed several of us, the manager stated that since the work was being performed by the state there was a chance the state might retaliate against the facility during the next inspection for her comments.

    The only thing I do on FB is one on one messages with a few "real" friends. You never know what seemingly innocent posting will get you in a real bind.
    Okay, not done reading the posts on this topic yet, but that one struck me and I had to comment. First of all, I'd be picking over every facility policy there was looking for the grounds of that reprimand. I doubt there is one, and if there is someone please send me it so I can watch for it in any potential employer policy out there. Secondly, I'd wonder what the facility was doing wrong that they would be worried about a state inspection. The state couldn't give a crap whether someone complains about road work or not (as people do every day, very publicly on the radio and news even as a traffic report). Then, I'd be wondering what I did to tee off the manager, because this is so far out there that it seems the manager is just looking for something to slap her on the hand for, for whatever reason. Lastly, I'd be looking for a new job because apparently the bill of rights and the 1st amendment mean nothing to that facility, and I couldn't work for someone who didn't share my affinity for the constitution, and the rights and freedoms that so many people risk or lose their lives defending for me daily. This has nothing to do with HIPAA, it's not libel if it's the truth, she wasn't speaking on behalf of the facility when she said it, and frankly it's insignificant. Most people wouldn't even blink when they saw that. What's next?