Teachers' Group Votes Against Helping Children w/Diabetes - page 2

my sister sent this to me and i just wondered if anyone else had heard about this and what they thought of it. she has a 12year old son with diabetes and she has fought with the school system over... Read More

  1. by   armyrn
    I should not give the daily trigonometry lecture. Teachers should not manage chronic diseases. That's why we (nurses and teachers) have separate schools.
  2. by   veteranRN
    You know, I completely agree with everyone else on this one. It does take on a different view though when it is your own child you are talking about. I agree that time would be better spent lobbying for a full time school nurse on the premisis. One who could perform a one touch before giving insuling or glucose.
  3. by   Nurse Ratched
    Gotta go along with the teachers here.

    http://www.aft.org/topics/diabetes/index.htm

    Here's the official position of the AFT on this issue.

    They strongly support having more nurses in our schools.
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    Another nurse who agrees with the teachers.

    steph
  5. by   Mermaid4
    If you are going to be a teacher and be responsible for children you DO need to recognize the signs and intervene if necessary. As a former diabetic teaching nurse, I think it is ludicrous not to at least do that just because you might be "uncomfortable"..If a child with a severe peanut reaction had an anaphylactic crisis I would HOPE his or her teacher had been educated to and was willing to administer the epi pen in order to prevent the possible demise of the child....My personal opinion....
  6. by   Mermaid4
    Looks like I am the odd one out here, but I stand by my feeling that teachers ought to at least be somewhat involved..I do understand the reluctance, but in my years of diabetic teaching, it didn't take a rocket scientist to involve and teach the families, friends and yes, TEACHERS, who were willing and able to learn along with the families in the program...And, there are some school nurses I wouldn't let manage my child....So, while I see the good points and bad points of both views, I stand with my initial opinion...SOMEone has to be first line of defense in the classroom, even if it means just minimizing time before calling someone who is cognizant of the situation.
  7. by   jnette
    Nope... gotta go with the teachers here.
    I, too, would have concerns about their assessments (or lack thereof).


    Far better to push for a comptetent school nurse in EVERY school.
  8. by   Ms.Hobbes
    I have to agree with the teachers on this issue. They are already carrying many hats in school and to expect them to add that one is not fair and unsafe.
  9. by   louloubell1
    Quote from Ms.Hobbes
    I have to agree with the teachers on this issue. They are already carrying many hats in school and to expect them to add that one is not fair and unsafe.
    I am in agreement with what most posters are stating. I don't think it is fair or safe to expect that of our teachers. That made me think of something though.....

    What if we weren't talking about diabetes? What if we were talking about a young child with a known allergy to bees who gets stung on the playground. Waiting for EMS to arrive before hitting the child with an Epi pen may well cost him his life as we all know. So, if the child isn't able to use the Epi pen himself, say he has already passed out or is too fearful to use it, is it reasonable to say that the teacher should be able to use it in the absence of the school nurse? What do you all think?

    Just as a side note, I'd like to thank the OP for this thread. I have to do a presentation on some nursing related policy which is a current concern for one of my masters classes, and I think I have found my topic! This would be a good one.....
  10. by   fab4fan
    IMO, an epi pen is a bit different...pretty straighforward. It's not the same as sticking a kid to check his blood sugar, then having to draw up the appropriate dose/give glucose if needed.
  11. by   kidluvinRN
    Quote from elkpark
    I agree with the other posters that the answer is to have nurses in the schools. I've read several articles on this issue (as a child psych CS, I've always worked closely with the schools), and it's not that teachers don't care about what happens to kids with health problems -- it's that they don't want to be put in dangerous situations for which they're not prepared. Thanks to the "mainstreaming" trend, kids with every kind of physical disability and chronic illness are in the public schools, and administering insulin is just the tip of the iceberg -- I've read of teachers who have been expected to suction trachs and do urinary catheterizations on kids in their classes (while continuing to supervise all the other kids and maybe do a little TEACHING, too), and they rightly do not feel qualified or competent to perform these kinds of interventions (besides which, it's not what they signed up for -- if they wanted to suction trachs and cath kids, presumably they would have gone to nursing school in the first place ... )

    I agree with the AFT on this, and respect them taking a stand.

    This is a very HOT topic in my community. Many more kids with chronic illness and disability are going to their neighborhood schools. Without a trained health professional in each school the only way to manage these children is to delegate aspects of their care (gastrostomy feedings, medications, straight caths, tracheal suctioning, and rectal seizure meds) This statement from the AFT reflects the reluctance of teachers to do this. I am glad for their support nursing should be for nurses. Our children deserve no less. I am afraid there will be bad outcomes before we strengthen the numbers of school nurses and take seriously the healthcare of this very vulnerable population.
  12. by   ktwlpn
    I am with the majority here-I believe that every school needs a nurse in attendance at all times.....Teachers should be certified in CPR-or at the very least each school should have a number of certified staff on hand.....Other then that-call 911.... I don't belive that teachers should be expected to intervene in any other way...if students have special needs they they should have attendant care provided-or their families can help with the burden.........How can you expect the teacher to turn away from the rest of the class to the benefit of one?
  13. by   Mermaid4
    I am just expecting them to have cognizant first hand knowledge, just as we expect family members to have...Other than that, I understand everyones reluctance to have them be responsible enough to respond appropriately. Of course, I think that might be looked at differently were it a family member of those who disagree, who was involved, or compromised in any way because a teacher either couldn't or wouldn't be appropriately involved..Can respect that I am on the unpopular side here....See the other side as well...Still disagree...

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