sleeping staff - page 8

It's incredible! just went down stairs to use their xerox machine and everyone of their staff members is sound asleep, all wrapped up in blankets and "Mouth Wide Open." They just don't care about... Read More

  1. by   Disablednurse
    Ok, my problem was based on the premise that you got a 30 minute unpaid meal break and two fifteen minute paid breaks. It is in our hand book that the fifteen minute breaks are being paid and that if you are needed in an emergency then you come back to the floor. You also cannot take the two fifteen minute breaks together. Therefore, you had 30 minutes off the clock, working an eight hour shift. You gave meds from 5:30 until 7 am. You make rounds every two hours. Now why would you need to sleep to make it thru 8 hours?
  2. by   sbic56
    Disablednurse

    I am thinking of 12 hour shifts, but the same still applies, really. Seeing that we are professionals and capable of making responsible decisions, I think that handbook should be considered a guidebook. If the acuity of the unit allows and enough coverage exists, I still don't have a problem with taking that catnap. For some, even that half hour can be refreshing. I am not into ridgidity and adhereing to rules just for the sake of them being on the books.
  3. by   fergus51
    ARGH, it's started on another thread and I keep letting myself get baited into responding!
    http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...threadid=34481
    Last edit by fergus51 on Apr 8, '03
  4. by   NursieRN
    I really think it depends on your facility's policy. Where I work
    sleeping is grounds for immediate dismissal.
  5. by   Good_Queen_Bess
    Originally posted by Disablednurse
    I am sorry, but this sleeping on the job is a bunch of horse hocky. It does not matter whether you are on your break or not, you are a professional and should act like one. I have been in nursing for 26 years and have never in all of those years gone to sleep while at work. I have been called back to work at 11 pm after working all day to cover the night shift and did not fall asleep. When you take the night shift job, you are given a list of your job duties and sleeping is not on it.
    Good for you! But the rest of us aren't robots. You don't like having a sleep break - fine. I do. Well, if that makes me "unprofessional", well then 90% of the people replying on this post are also "unprofessional". Or is that 90% of us are human?
  6. by   Disablednurse
    Bess, I was just stating my opinion as I thought this board was for that purpose. I did not mean to get others upset. I have, according to my husband, had a problem with wanting to hold others to the rigid standards that I set for myself. I understand that others have their opinions and I respect this. Just let me have mine. I have always had a problem with expecting others to bend to my standards and my husband has tried to explain to me that this is not always the thing to do.
  7. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    originally posted by night owl
    isn't anyone reading my posts? first of all, it's not happening just on a break, they sleep for 2-3 hours straight...all of them wrapped up in blankets and no one is alert! second of all, i've tried to do something about it. i have written them up to the nm, nothing was done. i've brought it to the attention of the supervisor. she saw it herself and nothing was done. now i'm getting ready to go over some heads to the don to see what he can do. if nothing, then the director of administration. i'm hoping that the don will look into it at least. after that, what else can i do? i didn't want it to go this far, but since no one seems to care, i will take it as far as i have to to get some action. i'm actually thinking they just don't want to deal with it. when the entire staff sleeps, no one is alert to the fact that the residents are being neglected. we have plenty of people who would love to work nights to fill their shoes even if they're just suspended. i wish jacho would make a surprise visit one night...maybe that's what it'll take or at least tell the don either do something about it or he'll leave me with no alternative but to report it to jacho and then management, administration and the sleeping staff will have to face the consequences...maybe their tune will change then. i'm fighting for what is right ... the resident's safety...it's what i believe in.
    ... the state board of health, sbon, & jacho...you bet your bottom dollar...your facility administrator will have to do something then or else they would be terminated!

    cheers!
    moe
  8. by   simao pt
    I disagree with all of you. In my unit, in the night shift, we are three nurses and an "auxiliar" and we often sleep in shifts. If we're lucky we can sleep 2,5 hours (our night shifts last 12,5 hours). I don't see where's the problem in it. Why should everyone be awake if some can be resting relaxed, knowing that their patientes are secured? If a patient needs something (and they ususally do) the one's that are awake take care of it, no matter what it is. When their time to snore ends we just awake them and it's our turn and they solve whatever problems may occur.
    However, if it's really serious then we just awake the "sleeping beauties".
    We do our job well and we are responsible enough not to sleep if the work doesn't allow us to do so. Many times we hardly have time to write the patients diary. But, on the nights that the work load is easier we just split the night. Usually from 2 am to 6 am.
    The doctors also go to sleep. They even have rooms to sleep! We just sleep in chairs!
    Face it, many times those two hours make the difference.
    P.S.: I completly disagree with everybody sleeping, leaving no one to take care of the patients!
  9. by   ShelleyERgirl
    Originally posted by simao pt
    I disagree with all of you. In my unit, in the night shift, we are three nurses and an "auxiliar" and we often sleep in shifts. If we're lucky we can sleep 2,5 hours (our night shifts last 12,5 hours). I don't see where's the problem in it. Why should everyone be awake if some can be resting relaxed, knowing that their patientes are secured? If a patient needs something (and they ususally do) the one's that are awake take care of it, no matter what it is. When their time to snore ends we just awake them and it's our turn and they solve whatever problems may occur.
    However, if it's really serious then we just awake the "sleeping beauties".
    We do our job well and we are responsible enough not to sleep if the work doesn't allow us to do so. Many times we hardly have time to write the patients diary. But, on the nights that the work load is easier we just split the night. Usually from 2 am to 6 am.
    The doctors also go to sleep. They even have rooms to sleep! We just sleep in chairs!
    Face it, many times those two hours make the difference.

    Are you kidding me? I don't know what kind of payment system you have in Portugal, but here we get paid to work, NOT sleep in shifts! "Why should everyone be awake..." Umm, I don't know... maybe it is because it is your job? I have worked 12 hour shifts in both and L and D setting and ER and there is always stuff that can be done on down time. I could personally care less what people do on their own lunch break, like someone here said, go dance a jig in the cafe, but to sleep in rotating two hour shift? Yeah, yeah, time permitting, wtf, give ME a break!
    '
    P.S.: I completly disagree with everybody sleeping, leaving no one to take care of the patients!
  10. by   karoline
    I have worked night shift at various times in my career and have been upset with coworkers who sleep at the desk at night. I feel what anyone does on their 30 minute break away from the immediate work area is their business. However, the great majority of facilities pay a differential to night shift employees for the inconvenience of working during the night. Night nurses are paid to work at night. Day and evening shifts cannot fall asleep at the desk or really anywhere else. Everyone is expected to be alert and available. Why is night shift any different? As a patient I would feel very unsafe if I observed the nurses sleeping and find it detrimental to the image of nurses as professionals. I understand that not everyone is cut out to work nights and acclimating to a night schedule is difficult. Many night nurses I have known don't make getting sleep during the day a priority and therefore have difficulty staying awake during the night. My feeling is that if one cannot commit to staying awake, alert and available then they should work a different shift.
  11. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    The nurses I've worked w/ who have slept have slept for hours and hours at a time, not just on break, and then awakened to announce that they are hungry and "going on lunch break now."

    !!!!

    Back when I was an LPN, I worked w/ several RNs who slept 6-7 hrs of every 12 hr shift.
    One nurse, "BettY" was asleep as usual, when her pt went into severe distress. This was a hospice unit. The pt was actively dying, but had suddenly sat up, started grabbing at everything, pulling at her throat, etc. O2 sat was 54%.

    This pt was on IVP MSO4, as an LPN, I could not give it.
    I woke up Betty and told her the pt situation and to come ASAP. I went back to the pt, who had gotten a skin tear by flailing her arms against the side rail, and was trying to get OOB.

    I stayed w/ the pt and waited for Betty... and waited and waited...
    I stuffed pillows between the pt and siderails to try and protect her from hurting herself further
    I went and found Betty outside smoking and drinking fresh coffee that she had just taken time to brew. She said "I need to wake up before I go in there."

    I was flabergasted. I lost all respect for this nurse.
    I was totally repulsed and disgusted by her behavior.
  12. by   sixes
    We had several Nurses who slept at night during there breaks. it was allowed for breaks only. I tried it one night. Felt like crap after so I never did it again. 15 mins or 1/2 hour just doesn't do it for me. It never seemed to bother the other nurses but I just didn't feel awake after.
    Lucky for me I didn't need much sleep.
  13. by   Good_Queen_Bess
    Originally posted by Disablednurse
    Bess, I was just stating my opinion as I thought this board was for that purpose. I did not mean to get others upset. I have, according to my husband, had a problem with wanting to hold others to the rigid standards that I set for myself. I understand that others have their opinions and I respect this. Just let me have mine. I have always had a problem with expecting others to bend to my standards and my husband has tried to explain to me that this is not always the thing to do.
    I am not saying that you don't have a right to your opinion; your opinion is a valuable as everyone elses on here. :kiss Sorry if I sounded otherwise. We all have our bug bears and are passionate about certain things, but I just don't like being labelled as unprofessional just because I aren't superwoman. I love my job, but detest nights as I can't sleep during the day and my body just functions on emergency back-up supply. If I don't have a sleep, I feel like I have a huge hangover for the rest of the night, and by the morning I become almost dysphasic!

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