septic pedophile wanted by FBI

  1. i took care of a belly case that turned septic within the past two days. we found out yesterday morning that he is wanted by the fbi for pedophilia.. he has cancer all throughout, is sick and septic, and probably will not make it out of the hospital.. most of the nurses say he should die and good for him for having cancer.. i kept saying that he and we are here to not judge and treat for why they are hospitalized.. many don't think so.. let the future or karma or whatever hold what it may.. my question, or inquiry is, what are your thoughts on this issue?
    Last edit by dfk on Dec 2, '05
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  3. by   traumaRUs
    Are the police involved? How did you come upon this information? I am like you, I guess, I would care for the patient and go from there. Is there some reason to report him to the FBI?
  4. by   HappyJaxRN
    It's hard to separate someone's behavior from who they are as a person. But I'm like you...I don't feel that someone should be neglected healthcare because of their actions. I'm a healthcare provider and not here to cast the first stone on someone's life and actions. I don't judge someone when I don't know what led them to make the choices that they made. I may not agree with them, but they are only as human as I am. I treat them as I would like to be treated.
  5. by   nurse4theplanet
    if he is wanted by the FBI then it is your facility's responsibility to report his presence accordingly despite personal feelings...if I were you I would report it.
  6. by   dfk
    it's federal offense.. out of police jurisdiction.. i came upon it because the fbi came in the morning(end of my shift) and talked to our nurse manager.. of course, as anyone knows, nursing is very similar to highschool.. gossip gossip gossip.... i hate it.. the funny thing about my care, is that i think i am a little more compassionate since.. perhaps not, but, when they are really sick, on sedation, and looking into your eyes with a wide unsurity, fright, unknowing... it's hard to be uncompassionate.. perhaps it's b/c i know that his future is imminent, regardless of illness.. it's a hard situation at times, but we're in this profession first and foremost for the pt... would it be different if we were personally affected?? who knows.. i have taken care of IV drug abusers, my sister being one, and sometimes it's hard to separate.. but it needs to be done, and we move on.
  7. by   dfk
    hey asoldierswife... they must have known, since they showed up.. they are waiting until he leaves the icu, if he should, to do whatever comes next.. he already knows whats going on, and so does the family.. the flew in from half way around the world.. gotta give props for tenacity.. anyway, i try to keep him sedated and comfortable, hopefully to forget about what's happening.. not that i'm justifying, but trying to take care of my pt the best that i know how.. despite what others may think or do... oh well!
  8. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from dfk
    it's federal offense.. out of police jurisdiction.. i came upon it because the fbi came in the morning(end of my shift) and talked to our nurse manager.. of course, as anyone knows, nursing is very similar to highschool.. gossip gossip gossip.... i hate it.. the funny thing about my care, is that i think i am a little more compassionate since.. perhaps not, but, when they are really sick, on sedation, and looking into your eyes with a wide unsurity, fright, unknowing... it's hard to be uncompassionate.. perhaps it's b/c i know that his future is imminent, regardless of illness.. it's a hard situation at times, but we're in this profession first and foremost for the pt... would it be different if we were personally affected?? who knows.. i have taken care of IV drug abusers, my sister being one, and sometimes it's hard to separate.. but it needs to be done, and we move on.
    obviously since the FBI has been there then there is no need to take further action. Keep doing exactly what you are doing, providing compassionate and unbiased care. He may not be a good human being but he is a human being nonetheless. Personally, I feel strongly about the spiritual ramifications I may face if I am malicious or uncaring towards others and so I leaving the Judging to Jesus. Perhaps, for the pt's sake you should make it known to your nurse manager that you feel that you can provide appropriate care without personal feelings getting in the way for your own self assurance that he will recieve compassionate care.
  9. by   mtnmom
    I agree that while he is with you he deserves the same level of quality care and caring that you would give any other patient.

    While I believe that pedophilia is a horrible thing and hope that he is made accountable for those he has hurt, the other side of the coin is that many pedophiles themselves were abused as children. There is no telling what demons he is battling within himself.

    Tough issue - balancing the almost primal emotions brought forth by mere mention of such crimes with the spiritual and professional responsibility to care for all.

    I applaud your efforts to care for this patient despite what must be very confusing feelings and negativity from some, I'm sure.
  10. by   dfk
    thank you mtnmom.. it can be difficult at times, as i'm sure all know... and if he had issues, that's tough too.. we all have hardships.. again, this is why we are here (as nurses) - -
  11. by   SouthernLPN2RN
    Just a side note here, but the op may contain some id'ing info.
  12. by   epiphany
    Quote from dfk
    in my sicu, i took care of a belly case that turned septic within the past two days. we found out yesterday morning that he is wanted by the fbi for pedophilia.. he has cancer all throughout, is sick and septic, and probably will not make it out of the hospital.. most of the nurses say he should die and good for him for having cancer.. i kept saying that he and we are here to not judge and treat for why they are hospitalized.. many don't think so.. let the future or karma or whatever hold what it may.. my question, or inquiry is, what are your thoughts on this issue?
    I wouldn't go as far as to say out loud that he should die, but you can't change how you feel.

    I saw pt who was a sexual offender last week, and it was a weird experience because I felt nothing no sympathy for this man lying there in the last days of his life. I think I would still take care of him, but I don't have to like him.

    While it's harsh to hear nurses wishing deaths on their pts, what he did can provoke very strong emotions. I wish nurses have a place to go to to address these things in a therapeutic way.
  13. by   dfk
    hey epiphany, i agree whole-heartedly - - your concept of no sympathy lays true to who i am and what i'm about... i will take care of whomever, and i think we all feel similar in that far-away spot some don't even want to open or explore... too bad.
  14. by   psalm
    ...it is appropriate to give your best care to the patient regardless of what they are accused of or guilty of. Maybe the nurse's compassion will give him the push to get things right with his Maker before he dies. As for the FBI, he is still accountable for his actions.

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