Forced to stay and work under mandatory evacuation? - page 21

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I live near the gulf where evacuating for hurricanes is a possibility around this time. The hospital where I work places nurses on teams. One team is forced to say, the other forced to come back 24 hrs after the hurricane is... Read More


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    Quote from watashi
    On a very practical note, what kind of childcare arrangements do people have that you can stay at work indefinitely on almost no notice?
    Speaking from the gulf coast hurricane perspective of the OP, we have plenty of notice of hurricanes on their way, and adequate notice of evacuations. Unless you live extremely close to the shore, mandatory evacs are extremely unlikely. I live about 40 miles (as the crow flies) from Galveston, and, while we've evacuated, it has never been mandatory.

    If I'd stayed and bunked down in a hospital my life wouldn't have been in any more danger than the millions of people still in their homes, and it wouldn't have been for long. When Ike hit, we were without electricity and clean water for a week or so, but the hurricane itself didn't last long.

    If I literally lived on a shoreline where it was likely the entire hospital was going to wash into the sea, maybe it would be a bigger deal. But, at least where I'm from, when mandatory evacs happen, patients are moved. People who refuse to leave are told there will be no help available to them after a particular time, and the few hospital staff that are needed to take care of the unmovable patients are volunteers.
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    [QUOTE=watashi;6780461]On a very practical note, what kind of childcare arrangements do people have that you can stay at work indefinitely on almost no notice?"



    Well, some people have family or friends who will help out in that sort of situation. But the bottom line is that anyone who has no way to make arrangements for that kind of situation has no business taking a job that requires availability for disaster duty.

    I'm finding myself really annoyed at a few posts by people saying how their kids are worth more to them than any job. Well, duh. No one would suggest they aren't. Do you think that those of us with kids who ARE planning to meet our disaster obligations are just sucky parents?

    You're the one setting yourself up to have to make that choice. No one would be expecting you to "abandon your kids" except for the fact that you chose to put yourself in that position. You're not going to be canonized for ditching work in a disaster just because you're a parent. (Or a pet owner). If you wanna go ahead and take a job that requires disaster availability knowing you're not willing to meet the obligation, that's not really fair to your employer or the community that's going to count on having a staffed hospital, but maybe you're not bothered by that. All right. Just don't try to make it look all virtuous and noble by dressing it up in your love for your children.
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    [quote=piglet08;6788441]
    Quote from watashi
    on a very practical note, what kind of childcare arrangements do people have that you can stay at work indefinitely on almost no notice?"



    well, some people have family or friends who will help out in that sort of situation. but the bottom line is that anyone who has no way to make arrangements for that kind of situation has no business taking a job that requires availability for disaster duty.

    i'm finding myself really annoyed at a few posts by people saying how their kids are worth more to them than any job. well, duh. no one would suggest they aren't. do you think that those of us with kids who are planning to meet our disaster obligations are just sucky parents?

    you're the one setting yourself up to have to make that choice. no one would be expecting you to "abandon your kids" except for the fact that you chose to put yourself in that position. you're not going to be canonized for ditching work in a disaster just because you're a parent. (or a pet owner). if you wanna go ahead and take a job that requires disaster availability knowing you're not willing to the obligation, that's not really fair to your employer or the community that's going to count on having a staffed hospital, but maybe you're not bothered by that. all right. just don't try to make it look all virtuous and noble by dressing it up in your love for your children.
    ​yes! what she said!
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    We had a mandated "Everyone stay and sleep over" when we had an icestorm a year or so back. The administration promised OT pay for everyone involved, all kinds of breakfast and perks...

    Turns out everyone who worked those days was given "some rest time" that included the rest of the payperiod- no over time for you! Pay was NOT provided when employees were sleeping on the floor in the breakroom for a couple hours.
    Two months later the administrator showed up with a bunch of tshirts with the company logo emblazoned across them, and was very pleased with herself for thinking of something so nice to do for us.

    So yup... sorry if I'm not going to do a backflip to come work for them in an urgent situation again. SHE can get on the floor and work if she's worried about staffing.
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    And of COURSE sometimes even carefully laid plans fail. Disasters can be like that. I just take issue with those who appear to have a plan of "not going to work because I love my (fill in the blank) so much". Come on.
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    by lynx 25: we had a mandated "everyone stay and sleep over" when we had an icestorm a year or so back. the administration promised ot pay for everyone involved, all kinds of breakfast and perks...

    turns out everyone who worked those days was given "some rest time" that included the rest of the payperiod- no over time for you! pay was not provided when employees were sleeping on the floor in the breakroom for a couple hours.
    two months later the administrator showed up with a bunch of tshirts with the company logo emblazoned across them, and was very pleased with herself for thinking of something so nice to do for us.

    so yup... sorry if i'm not going to do a backflip to come work for them in an urgent situation again. she can get on the floor and work if she's worried about staffing."

    gawd. lost pay and t-shirts, and expecting you to proudly wear the company logo! that's classic admin idiocy. it would be great if we could get them to meet their obligations, wouldn't it?

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    This thread fits in nicely with one that was started by moi several weeks back asking who would report for duty during a major epidemic/pandemic.

    Haven't crunched the numbers but it seems the results are similar and thus god help us if something like SARS, AIDS, Bird Flu and so forth breaks out.
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    [QUOTE=Piglet08;6788441]
    Quote from watashi

    I'm finding myself really annoyed at a few posts by people saying how their kids are worth more to them than any job.
    To me, I find this statement annoying.

    My child's life is worth more than 25 dollars an hour.

    Period.
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    Quote from Piglet08

    To me, I find this statement annoying.

    My child's life is worth more than 25 dollars an hour.

    Period.
    What I find annoying is when I hire someone I have certain expectations and they start making excuses why they can't meet the agreed upon terms of their employment.
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    [QUOTE=LaughingRN;6790257]
    Quote from Piglet08

    To me, I find this statement annoying.

    My child's life is worth more than 25 dollars an hour.

    Period.
    I agree.
    It is my #1 responsibility to be there and protect my children at all costs.
    If that is not possible, then I will give 110% to those I help strangers/pts in any way I can, as yes, I would pray someone would protect my children in my absence.
    But if the situation allows that I can reach my children, then I will protect them with every fiber of my being.
    That is what I signed up for when I decided to have children... and you know darn well kids want their mothers, fathers, grandmothers... that very special person in their life, to give them comfort and protect them.
    Work may easily fire me or I can quit... responsibility is then terminated.
    But I am never fired from the responsibility of my children.
    To let those kids down, when I had a choice, is the greatest failure a parent can endure.


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