Did I participate in an unethical situation? - page 3

I am worried that last week I participated in an unethical event. Here is the situation. At our facility, we have a, usually yearly, mock disaster. At our facility it is known as a code delta.... Read More

  1. by   DIPLOMATICRN4HIRE
    This was the most disgusting ,inappropriate, thoughtless, disrespectful,and careless actions I have ever seen. Yes I would go to the ethics committee ,I would tell them how horrible it was to remove a REAL LIFE TRAUMA AND TRAGIC event to the family and to replace it with a IMPROV. It disrupted the grieving process of the family. Which is something they will recall when they DO find out about the MOCK Delta, and they will know that they were moved and who was put in the room where their mother just died. Dont you think the lil red dots on the faces of the walking people would be a clue. Dont assume they didnt see it. Dont assume they wont take action as well.
    I would be so offended that you (administration) felt the need to play act was more important than allowing the grieving process of a human being, and disturbing the process is nothing but blatent ignorance and disrequard of the patient and the family
    I am so sorry that you had this happen, you were an bystander in this moronic display.
    Just my thoughts
    Zoe
  2. by   RN2B2005
    Yup. I would have to go with the "WTF" crowd on this one.

    At the hospital I worked at in a non-nursing capacity, they DID have drills...but there were memos out the day before, precisely to AVOID the endangerment or inconveniencing of ACTUAL patients. The hospital 'encouraged' participation by disciplining staff members found to be non-participants in the drill (unless we had a direct patient responsibility at the time of the drill) and by rewarding staff members with treats (candy, cookies, small things) at the end of the drill.

    On a similar tangent, I read today in the NY Times that more than a few state and local public health agencies are cutting services considered 'non-essential' like Pap smears and children's dental care in order to pay for smallpox and bioterror drills and preparation. Sure, those patients will appreciate all that preparation some day, if someone does manage to produce smallpox...or rather, those patients who are still ALIVE, some having died from undetected cervical cancer in the interim.
  3. by   Really An Actress
    I never thought mock disasters should be a surprize to health care workers. By not allowing them to anticipate their roles, they end up making more mistakes. I think it's better to know what day the drill will occur so nurses can do some mental rehearsal and they can focus on getting things right instead of having so many mistakes to go over in the review.

    And, most definitely, a manager who is there after hours is a sure sign that something is up,lol.
  4. by   Keysnurse2008
    OMG...how awful!!!!! Examples like this make me sick...this shows how Nsg Administration has lost sight of the complete picture!!! When will they "realize" that these are patients...people .....families....we are dealing with. That family...left your facility...and no doubt lost sight of the excellent care they recieved from the nsg staff and physicians.....simply bc of a BS "ED TRIAGE casulty drill???? I must add mine too....*****
  5. by   hipab4hands
    You really need to notify some one in upper management, so that they are aware of what happened. I wouldn't present it as the "blame game" on the supervisor, but upper management needs to have some contingency plan, so that this situation never happens again.
  6. by   Keysnurse2008
    Quote from hipab4hands
    You really need to notify some one in upper management, so that they are aware of what happened. I wouldn't present it as the "blame game" on the supervisor, but upper management needs to have some contingency plan, so that this situation never happens again.
    well said.....I mean....these are families...people.....who have had a traumatic event....a huge loss for their family. Now they see "momma" shoved ina coat closet...meanwhile this whole fiasco is going on around them.It is an outrage...as I said .....the excellent care the patient and their family had received prior to that...I am sure was now overshadowed...and they probably left feeling that their loss was very very unimportant.It is wrong...and just sad.I am so sorry this happened to you...it overshadowed all the wonderful care I am sure you had given to this family in their time of loss.sad....
  7. by   following_faith
    Wow...:angryfire I am sorry you had to go through this!


    People should be required to work at least so many years as a healthcare worker out there in the trenches before being able to make decisions from the ivory tower.
  8. by   Marylou1102
    How incredibly sad for both you and the family.
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Please note this thread is nearly 4 years old and the OP unlikely to reply.

    If the OP is still around, I would love an update, however.

    An answer to your question is:

    Yes it was unethical.
  10. by   NurCrystal22
    Um, I think it's really messed up you had to do that.... *****
  11. by   following_faith
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Please note this thread is nearly 4 years old and the OP unlikely to reply.

    If the OP is still around, I would love an update, however.

    An answer to your question is:

    Yes it was unethical.


    I hate it when I do this! I see the thread on that opening page and I never think to check dates...darn!
  12. by   MMARN
    Um. Excuse me, but that is THE most untactful (is that a word?) thing to do!!!! Those people were grieving and they had to move so that a DRILL could be ACTED out??!!!:angryfire No drill is more important than a patient and a patient's family who are going through one of the saddest times in their lives! I'm not sure if it was unethical, and I'm glad you were upset and furious, but why couldn't they have waited until it was less busy or just found another place to do the drill in?

    I would have risen HELL if my family were treated that way. Management cares a lot about law suits. That is one that's just waiting to happen.
  13. by   BamaBound2bRN
    Quote from sunnygirl272
    WTF...i would be flaming livid...i mean, obviously, had it been real, there would have been no issue...shove the dead lady and her fam to a closet if need be.( sorry)...but this is pure unadulterated BS...how rude, mean, callous, cruel...(not you...) how inappropriate.....how awful that you had to do this...
    How soon Katrina and 911 and the Tsunami fade away. If we as a Nation, World, Profession, etc. do not plan and practice for disasters, then many of the same mistakes made during Katrina will continue to happen. A perfect scenerio would be that we would have a hospital encapsulated in glass in every part of every city, fully staffed, with a sign that says "Break Glass in an Emergency". However, common-sense says that is not possible. So, we have to practice, and that means no warning-as real as possible drills and scenarios. I have read many posts here and elsewhere from practitioners who moan about being short staffed and the stresses of getting that late shift admission while trying to give report and get caught up on paperwork and meds. If you didn't practice during and within the real world, then when the "Big One" hits then 100's or maybe even 1000's could die.
    Yes, this case was inconvenient, and unsympathetic, but if the hospital is not properly prepared for a real Major Catastrophy, then how bad do you think the inconvenience and heart aches will be?
    Sorry, I didn't check the date either- I wonder how many views have been changed over the last year after seeing the devastation and gross negligence during Katrina, Ivan, the Tsunami, etc.?
    Last edit by BamaBound2bRN on Jan 8, '06

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