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hello fellow Phil. nurses...and maybe to other nationalities who read this...

I am just sooooo disapponted with my U.S quest.... :madface:

I have exhausted all my efforts and money and time....just to bring my future to the U.S. of A....I am now wondering...why ? oh why?:bluecry1:

Come to think of it..maybe God has His way of telling me...I am not for the U.S. BECAUSEI have passed NCLEX, IELTS, CGFNS, have a visa screen and have received a requested CES... Paid so hard for all these. My everyday prayers has always been a retro lift and a faster movement of papers...It has been three years now... I want to say this now...

THere are a lot of countries, safer and much livable than U.S. that needs my services...can anyone else say ....the same thing too? Lets go !!!! anyone there who agrees with me?? just let me be aware...thats all...:cry:

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

It is alright saying there is a nurse shortage or expected to be in the future but from what I have read in other forums there is no shortage of nurses in the US but the RN's that aren't working in general are doing so because of how they are treated. Surely it is up to the government to look into working conditions. I have read some horrible stories on how nurses have been treated by both admin and doctors. Yes I know there can be some good Doctors and admin but the general census is there are many bad places to work where staffing ratio's are horrendous and nurses expected to work at the drop of a hat. Surely having a good place to work means a good work experience and a good retention of staff. Bring in foreign nurses may not help and why should people put up with bad working conditions regardless on where they are coming from.

Don't get me wrong I do believe that nurses should get the opportunity to work in a foreign place if that is what they want and they meet requirements but not at the expense of the local citizens

Thats so sad in our country.. too many nurses flooding around and unemployed nurses coming every year... They only dreamed for there American journey... But sadly all this happened...

Since Obama is spending so much aide and the economy is not getting stronger but worst in alll... There debt is running trillions and spending on foreign policy and booming pakistan.. So there going to another great depression which is really sad...

If i were you find an american guy... to cheer up with...

Once you come to the US... you can work easily.. Its just another option...

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

Please do not promote relationship just to move, that is wrong and if caught will be immigration fraud and result in a Ban. Please do it for the right reasons not the wrong ones

Thats so sad in our country.. too many nurses flooding around and unemployed nurses coming every year... They only dreamed for there American journey... But sadly all this happened...

Since Obama is spending so much aide and the economy is not getting stronger but worst in alll... There debt is running trillions and spending on foreign policy and booming pakistan.. So there going to another great depression which is really sad...

If i were you find an american guy... to cheer up with...

Once you come to the US... you can work easily.. Its just another option...

I have high-lighted a statement that you have made. That is actually immigration fraud to even consider that. But you have also left off one very important point and that is that if new American grads are having issues finding work, then a facility is not going to take someone that has trained out of the US and give them a job over someone that has trained in the US, visa or not.

And we are seeing it right now with those that have green cards, not getting hired when they return to the US after completing their training overseas. More time goes into orientation for them and the hospitals are looking for ways to cut costs.

So you cannot work easily.

How can you say that I am incorrect and way off? The question was "Why do filipino nurses continue to think there are jobs here"

The answer is simple: Filipinos continue to think there are jobs in the USA because recruiters for hospitals in the USA are TELLING THEM that there are.

Of course Hospitals don't issue the visas and of course the hiring agencies are doing all sorts of odd and perhaps illegal things but the question was simply put as to why nurses over here think they can get work easily in the USA. That's the answer.

You are absolutely right and you will not get an argument from me out of that one. There is currently a bill in the House which will make Hospitals pay $15,000 to support nursing colleges in the USA for every foreign nurse that is hired. The goal is to help more Americans fill nursing jobs in the long term while overseas nurses fill positions in the short term. According to the documents from Department of Homeland Security the impending nurse shortage is considered a matter of national security. They claim that the USA needs 1.2 million new nurses by 2011 and that US Nursing schools can only provide 500,000 of these nurses. This is why there are bills being proposed in the House right now to both bring nurses in from outside the USA and reinforce the nursing institutions at home so that there is a short-term and long-term solution combined. My notes are at work but tomorrow or Monday I can give you the bill numbers so you can see the proposals yourself.

Hmm, well there are a few parts to this section:

1) I am not trying to get someone's hopes up irresponsibly, I am trying to present a balanced picture of the realities of how hard things are with a measure of hope for the future. I will never tell a nurse online or face to face that she can get a job in the USA within the next year because that will never happen even if all the bills in the house pass as fast as possible.

2) There are a lot of complexities with the Philippines and nursing licensure, an American-born filipino can actually work in the Philippines if he/she can prove certain things about his parents and establish a dual-citizenship.

3) I do see what is happening in the USA on a daily basis which is why I am working to try and find alternatives for nurses in other locations. I have family in the USA and I am very concerned for their ability to survive this economic crisis. I do not want retrogression to go away, but at the same time I see the numbers stating that nurses are needed in the USA in the near future.

4) I work with nurses on a daily basis. I help nurses achieve their personal and professional goals and I save them a lot of time and money in the process. I earn a very average wage for the Philippines so I am not taking advantage of anyone. I am not a recruiter, a headhunter, a placement agency or any of those things. Why does it matter what my job is? I am concerned about nurses and want to help people. Before taking this job I coordinated disaster relief for various areas around the world which included coordination and directing of medical emergency personnel. I love nurses and I want what is best for them whether they are American, Filipino or any other nationality. Isn't that enough?

You are absolutely right.

If you go to job fairs here in the Philippines there are dozens of recruiters and staffing firms convincing nurses that there are positions waiting. There is a lot of stuff that is left unsaid and omitted from the equation.

Nurses are being lied to and misled, there is an upcoming job fair next weekend and I have a personal assurance from the organizer that the recruiters are legitimate, but I will have to see for myself.

Please review my last post again, I think you misinterpreted it. I was not saying that positions are available and nurses can be hired; I was merely answering WHY nurses believe that jobs exist in the USA.

I maintain that the hospitals in the USA should be the ones held accountable for filling these nurses heads with vain promises and using illegitimate hiring practices through agencies here that cannot be held to the fire by US courts.

One WARNING I will give to Pinoy nurses: There is a trend now among some agencies to tell you that you can go to the USA to study and work. They will tell you that you can go in under a student visa and get a job to work full time while you study.

What they do NOT tell you is that co-op education is not working as an RN and that once your added education ends you have to return to the Philippines since your visa transition cannot happen under retrogression.

Additionally, Co-op jobs do not pay much at all so after you spend for your tuition and housing and stuff you won't have anything left over to send back home.

Getting a nursing degree in the USA as a foreign nurse does not make it any easier to get licensure or an immigrant/working visa in the USA.

There are probably enough new grads over the entire US right now that could fill any of those so-called positions at this time. Does not matter what you are seeing in numbers, the fact is that states are producing more nurses with the idea that there are going to be jobs for them, only the baby boomers have not retired as of yet.

The hospitals in Florida that were bringing over nurses by the boat-loads from the Philippines for the H1-B visa have actually brought over their last supply; if you wish to call it that.

And it is usually not the hospital in the US that is going over to the Philippines but external recruiters that are doing so and trying to make a buck.

When there is going to be more than a seven year wait for a chance at a green card, and many more nurses that are sitting there with no a chance at doing anything, why in the world are there hundreds of thousands in school there now for a job that they are not going to get?

I am very aware of all of those bills, funny thing is that you never see them move past anything and they get filed in the corner. And if a congressman or representative tried to push for bringing over a foreigner to take a position from an American that is out of work, I do hope that they would get laughed out of office. They are all in Washington trying to get money for their own constituents, trying to bring over others would make things as a joke.

To be fair, Obama has been in office only a month and has gotten a lot done; it takes time for packages like he has proposed to pass through the house and sentate in order to go into effect.

If i were you find an american guy... to cheer up with...

Once you come to the US... you can work easily.. Its just another option...

Absolutely not.

Marriage is a serious affair and to trivialize it as a path to get a job in the USA is a grave mistake.

I just got through discussing this exact issue with a Filipina who is begging me to find her an American husband so she can go to the states and work to support her family.

Look, let's be realistic... even if you do find a guy that is willing to help you through this fraud there are several things that will happen:

1) The embassy here will know during the interview that you are not being honest

2) you will get to the USA and realize that you STILL cannot find a job because you are going to have to wait in line with all the other foreign-educated nurses who have already applied.

3) you will get frustrated, angry and resentful to your fake husband, your marriage will dissolve and you will be forced to return to the Philippines.

Save yourself the headache and go the completely legal, ethical and moral route.

Get married because you find someone you want to spend the rest of your life with. No other reason.

There are probably enough new grads over the entire US right now that could fill any of those so-called positions at this time. Does not matter what you are seeing in numbers, the fact is that states are producing more nurses with the idea that there are going to be jobs for them, only the baby boomers have not retired as of yet.

Where are these new grads? The government officials don't see them. Suzanne, you are missing the point here; this isn't about what I see or what I want. The numbers I stated are coming from the Dept. Of Homeland Security memo as a recommendation to open health care worker visas (Nurses and Physical Therapists specifically) on a temporary measure to fill these positions. Why doesn't the US government know about these numbers? This is something NCSBN should be all over if it is wrong but even they are silent. I would love to see numbers to back up what you are saying. Seriously; I'm not being sarcastic here.

The hospitals in Florida that were bringing over nurses by the boat-loads from the Philippines for the H1-B visa have actually brought over their last supply; if you wish to call it that.

And it is usually not the hospital in the US that is going over to the Philippines but external recruiters that are doing so and trying to make a buck.

I'm not going to pretend to know how the hospital in Florida was administrating that, but from this end we are seeing nurses that already had contracts outstanding with US employers at the time retrogression hit finally being processed through as groups. This last batch may be a part of those outstanding contracts having to be fulfilled.

I know that a majority of the recruiters are definitely not US hospitals, but they are acting on US hospital demands. I met with an administration group from the USA only in December through a recruiting agency that I know. They were placing "orders" with the recruiter for more nurses and because of the economic crunch they specified "ready to go" nurses who already had US licensure and had passed Visa Screening. Basically the Hospital isn't paying for that kind of stuff anymore.

I don't know where or how the hospitals are saving money. As you said before (very correctly) they have to pay a green card holder the same salary as a citizen. But as you well know everything that happens in the USA happens for money money money. The hospital is gaining something by hiring foreign nurses that they are not gaining from US nurses and until we figure out what precisely that is then we are going to be arguing until we are blue in the face.

When there is going to be more than a seven year wait for a chance at a green card, and many more nurses that are sitting there with no a chance at doing anything, why in the world are there hundreds of thousands in school there now for a job that they are not going to get?

For the very reasons I stated earlier; they are being told by recruiters, hospitals, etc that jobs are available.

Additionally; throughout the 1960's 1970's and 1980s a culture was created here in the Philippines because of hiring practices in the USA that a Filipina could go to university, get a nursing degree and then immediately she would be able to get a job in the USA paying well enough to support her family back home. This culture is well established and no matter how much the practicality of things has altered the reality; breaking this culture is exceptionally difficult.

It's like asking why we still have paper filing systems when everything can be stored digitally. It is the culture of how things work.

I am very aware of all of those bills, funny thing is that you never see them move past anything and they get filed in the corner. And if a congressman or representative tried to push for bringing over a foreigner to take a position from an American that is out of work, I do hope that they would get laughed out of office. They are all in Washington trying to get money for their own constituents, trying to bring over others would make things as a joke.

I will be the first to say hire a citizen first; no problems here with that. Again, according to the Federal Government these jobs cannot be filled by Americans graduating currently. So while we can take unemployed people and fund them to go to university to become RNs it doesn't solve the immediate problem that, according to the US Government, 1.2 Million new nurses will be needed by January 1, 2011.

I'm in favor of the two-part solution. Hire nurses abroad to fill the immediate shortage and fund nursing education for Americans to fill the long-term shortage. According to the numbers the healthcare system cannot stand to wait 2-4 years for new nurses to be educated in order to fill these gaps.

Thats so sad in our country.. too many nurses flooding around and unemployed nurses coming every year... They only dreamed for there American journey... But sadly all this happened...

Since Obama is spending so much aide and the economy is not getting stronger but worst in alll... There debt is running trillions and spending on foreign policy and booming pakistan.. So there going to another great depression which is really sad...

If i were you find an american guy... to cheer up with...

Once you come to the US... you can work easily.. Its just another option...

Hope your not serious when you posted this....... a lot of pinoy nurses have been working hard to earn the respect and admiration of their foreign counterparts.please don't advise them to become a mail order bride.:down:

There is no immigration fraud if you guys are married legally....

We are not dictating what she should do.. w'e're giving here options... to think that there are lots of options coming to the US...

There is nothing wrong with giving this person options and what to do...

You guys shouldnt be dictating and telling her this is right way and right path... The decision is in her hands...

All working visas coming to america has been denied... the are on hold... not issuing any working visas... That included nurses, teachers,skilled workers etc.....

if you know craigslist, carrierbuilder, employments.com

Try to look at that site hiring LVN's LPN's RN's CNA's caregivers,,, home care aide are everywhere.... Medical jobs are still in demand... Dont think about one state there are 50 states... Alot of hospice adult centers are looking for them not just hospitals.... My husband live right next to a hospital in the US.. Hiring is in demand...

For the filipinos wants to go to america to be a nurse.... You can still do your job but you have to be wise... what are the options you can do...

DONT give up....

Where are these new grads? The government officials don't see them. Suzanne, you are missing the point here; this isn't about what I see or what I want. The numbers I stated are coming from the Dept. Of Homeland Security memo as a recommendation to open health care worker visas (Nurses and Physical Therapists specifically) on a temporary measure to fill these positions. Why doesn't the US government know about these numbers? This is something NCSBN should be all over if it is wrong but even they are silent. I would love to see numbers to back up what you are saying. Seriously; I'm not being sarcastic here.

I'm not going to pretend to know how the hospital in Florida was administrating that, but from this end we are seeing nurses that already had contracts outstanding with US employers at the time retrogression hit finally being processed through as groups. This last batch may be a part of those outstanding contracts having to be fulfilled.

I know that a majority of the recruiters are definitely not US hospitals, but they are acting on US hospital demands. I met with an administration group from the USA only in December through a recruiting agency that I know. They were placing "orders" with the recruiter for more nurses and because of the economic crunch they specified "ready to go" nurses who already had US licensure and had passed Visa Screening. Basically the Hospital isn't paying for that kind of stuff anymore.

I don't know where or how the hospitals are saving money. As you said before (very correctly) they have to pay a green card holder the same salary as a citizen. But as you well know everything that happens in the USA happens for money money money. The hospital is gaining something by hiring foreign nurses that they are not gaining from US nurses and until we figure out what precisely that is then we are going to be arguing until we are blue in the face.

For the very reasons I stated earlier; they are being told by recruiters, hospitals, etc that jobs are available.

Additionally; throughout the 1960's 1970's and 1980s a culture was created here in the Philippines because of hiring practices in the USA that a Filipina could go to university, get a nursing degree and then immediately she would be able to get a job in the USA paying well enough to support her family back home. This culture is well established and no matter how much the practicality of things has altered the reality; breaking this culture is exceptionally difficult.

It's like asking why we still have paper filing systems when everything can be stored digitally. It is the culture of how things work.

I will be the first to say hire a citizen first; no problems here with that. Again, according to the Federal Government these jobs cannot be filled by Americans graduating currently. So while we can take unemployed people and fund them to go to university to become RNs it doesn't solve the immediate problem that, according to the US Government, 1.2 Million new nurses will be needed by January 1, 2011.

I'm in favor of the two-part solution. Hire nurses abroad to fill the immediate shortage and fund nursing education for Americans to fill the long-term shortage. According to the numbers the healthcare system cannot stand to wait 2-4 years for new nurses to be educated in order to fill these gaps.

And there are a large number of facilities in the US that cannot hire temporary health care workers, their union contracts will not permit anyone with the H1-B or the H1-C. And there are not any nurses "ready to go" when they have trained out of the US and in facilities where things are done very differently from the US.

I have received so many anecdotal notes from nurses across the US where the H1-B visas have been accepted and it gets scarier and scarier to me on a daily basis when I see the information that comes to me.

If a recruiter was in the Philippines in December, it meant that the trip was probably scheduled before last September when everything just crashed here. Take a look at the state forums where you will see state after state of new grads that are unable to get hired and they do not need visas and they trained right here. There are still more nurses in the US right now that are not working in hospitals that could take care of any true shortage that existed.

Physical therapists are still under the H1-B visa in many states, it is the RNs that are not because of union contracts. I most definitely do not want to see anyone coming over here to work as an RN under the temporary visa, and I am very vocal about it. Either the green card or nothing. There is no reason as well for someone to be taken advantage of and that is what the H1-B visa does. They are owned only by that one employer and they cannot go and pick up hours at a second employer if they wanted to or needed to. The employer can also cancel their contract/visa at any time and for no reason if they wish.

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And if a hospital is attempting to bring over nurses if they have a hiring freeze in place or lay-offs then that is not going to be a good thing and it can cause serious consequences as well. They have to prove that they have the job now for them. And I do not know of any that can take on that many employees and not be able to hire an American for the job unless the employer is so bad that an American will not work for them.

There are still nurses in the Philippines with PD dates of 2005 that are still there and waiting.

There is no immigration fraud if you guys are married legally....

We are not dictating what she should do.. w'e're giving here options... to think that there are lots of options coming to the US...

There is nothing wrong with giving this person options and what to do...

You guys shouldnt be dictating and telling her this is right way and right path... The decision is in her hands...

All working visas coming to america has been denied... the are on hold... not issuing any working visas... That included nurses, teachers,skilled workers etc.....

if you know craigslist, carrierbuilder, employments.com

Try to look at that site hiring LVN's LPN's RN's CNA's caregivers,,, home care aide are everywhere.... Medical jobs are still in demand... Dont think about one state there are 50 states... Alot of hospice adult centers are looking for them not just hospitals.... My husband live right next to a hospital in the US.. Hiring is in demand...

For the filipinos wants to go to america to be a nurse.... You can still do your job but you have to be wise... what are the options you can do...

DONT give up....

One having a legal marriage most definitely can be involved in immigration fraud. Not sure why you even brought that up in the first place.

So your husband in in the US, and you are in the Philippines.

Are you one that got married to get the visa? It would seem that way by what you have suggested and posted here.

Even suggesting that someone look for an American spouse to come to the US is just a bad idea to even suggest and it most definitely does not make you look good. Add into this the fact the US immigration officials also read this site.

Wonder where you are in processing. And better yet, remember that any green card that comes from marriage or the K-1 visa is only issued for two years and then needs to be renewed. And the relationship will need verification that it was a truthful marriage as well.

And hiring is for those with experience in the US, not no experience coming from overseas. Guess that was left out of the equation.

And the mention of Homeland Security requesting more temporary visas for nurse and physical therapists? That was under Bush and the administration has changed as well as the Secretary for Homeland Security.

Remember that Bush was also pushing for the CEOs of corporations and nothing for the employees. And look at where it got many of them now. They are all out of office. Whatever they wanted is also gone.

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