US demand for Filipino nurses declining - educator

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us demand for filipino nurses declining - educator

some 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states have undesirable work habits, which could likely be the cause for the slump in the demand for pinoy nurses, an educator said friday.

an article in sun-star cebu quoted henry seno, president of the american dream review institute inc. (amdream) as saying that the decline in the demand for filipino nurses abroad is caused more by a change in work attitude of the latest batch of nursing professionals rather than the june 2006 nursing board exam cheating controversy.

change in work attitude...

i wonder if this is related to the nurses who got "fast track" bsns, all in less than 6 months.

cgfns & uscis have to crack down on these people, they're ruining things for the nurses who went through nursing school.

"nurses in the philippines now are no longer of the same quality as the nurses five to 10 years back," seno said.

this quote sounds very familiar here...

suzanne, are you putting words into this guy's mouth?

he said 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states, despite receiving an average salary of $8,000 to $10,000 a month, "do not show up for work (and) literally do not report to the hospitals, especially those with immigrant status (while) those who report act as if they are not there because they're busy doing other things."

he forgot the other sticking point--nurses who, after getting to the us with their green cards, demand to be released from their contracts.

my reading of that situation--if the nurses win against the agency--is that the door for filipino nurses to the us will slam shut.

no agency will be willing to sign on filipino nurses if nurses have the "human right" to not honor the terms of the contracts.

the only 2 options remaining will be aos and direct hiring by hospitals--which are rare, and are quickly filled up.

hundreds of thousands of nurses with nowhere to go.

seno also hits the growing number of nursing schools in the country, churning out nursing graduates who are lacking in hands-on experience and a good grasp of educational background.

"there are more nursing schools now and so many nursing graduates. these schools have become mere diploma mills," seno said.

i think this person is quoting a moderator here. :D

this negative scenario, he said, has caused hospitals and clinics in the united states to recruit more nurses from india, korea and china compared to those they hire from philippines as these institutions have become apprehensive in their choice of nursing imports.

i agree with this statement.

there are a lot of nurses in the us, especially from india, then china, then korea. a few from japan. new hires.

their english not as good, but they get the job done.

seno also blames local recruitment agencies for taking advantage of the need for nurses in the us by "duping" hospitals and health institutions to hire pinoy nurses who are not qualified for nursing jobs.

hmmm...

Specializes in Neurosciences/Telemetry/Med-Surg/Travel.
try california. :lol2:

that's what i thought. go figure.

feeling pretty will not help you be a good nurse.

don't like air-heads neither. she probably have low self esteem so she's trying to esteem herself that way. :monkeydance:

This is really a very sad thing for us nurses. There are still alot of good and hardworking nurses out there who would like to live the american dream. In my humble opinion there are alot of ways to filter out those nurses who give in to schools who sell BSN diplomas for cash. Like for example banning graduates of schools who have BSN programs that last something like 2 and a half years. To narrow down the list they can also take into consideration the paasco accreditation given to schools with good standards. For me that would flush out nearly all the culprits that caused these troubles we are faced with. It would take some flexing of muscle from the government. But I hope that the cgfns would take initiative with this, after all it is their mandate to screen foreign nurses. For a job as big as this, I would not rely on the phil Gov. Im so sorry:)

Fishy

Businesswise, Henry Seno's interview by the local newspaper, is purely advertisement. He said he is the president of the American Dream Review Institute --- he is trying to gain popularity for his review center since it is very new in Cebu where Sunstar happens to be the widely read local paper. I have to say, students in top schools didnt even have second thoughts enrolling in review centers growing like mushrooms.

By addressing such claims, he knows that it will be in the headline of the newspaper. Moreover, any news with regards to the nursing sector is of big interest in the Philippines, NOWADAYS. Thus, he is really smart!

I doubt if he is in the right position to make such statements even if he claims he is connected with this agency blah blah. Everyone in their kind of business claims the same thing.

This article is purely advertisement!

Bogus

Specializes in MEDSURG, IMU, ONCOLOGY.

I agree with you Lasagna_RN!

I've worked with a lot of fellow Filipino nurses here and most of us are hardworking, quiet (sometimes too quiet) law abiding citizens/residents!

there is pure vested interest written all over this article!:angryfire

"Amdream's website said it is an affiliate of a Los Angeles-based company with operations in the Philippines that serves as a springboard for Asian operations. It was conceptualized for the purpose of assisting nurses to pass the different US immigration requirements."

Specializes in Med/Surg/Med-Tele/SDU/ED.

nobody is saying this article is the gospel truth.

i put my comments after the quotes. for me, it's a case of "where there's smoke..."

not seeing this kind of nurses in your hospital outside california--like texas--does not mean that they do not exist.

in california, a lot of hospitals stopped direct hiring because of nurses who breached their contracts. some were asked to "resign" because they do not have the requisite skills.

most ca hospitals get their nurses from agencies now. this might even stop in the near future.

it's so tiring.

i'll leave it to the naysayers and snipers to share their experiences.

In the Bay Area, that type of salary is quite common for someone with experience, and who is willing to work a little overtime. It is not out of the realm of things at all.

The person that made that statement is trying to push his program, and sorry to say he does not have any insider track, neither does anyone else with a review center trying to get people to the US. They selll bodies only and get a kick-back from the agency in the Us, and that is all that they care about. And essentially makes them a recruiter, doubt if he is licensed to do that.

And the issue is nurses that are coming over and do not have adequate training. And before the huge increase in the number of school there, things were just fine. Five years ago, before the advent of the second courser programs there, things were just fine, and you rarely saw any issues, now they are cropping up all of the time, and from all programs now, not just the second courser programs. Sure there are few that are still goof, but the majority of them are just interested in the number that they can turn out. Nothing more, and heaven forbid that one of their graduates would take care of a school owner's family. They would shudder at the thought, and perhaps they need to see this up close and personal and it be required that their family members need to get their care from some of their graduates.

But this guy that has the review center, it is too late for the students that have already finished and completed their degree, he can only prepare them for exams, past the training that they need. And wonder if he is even a nurse at all, either.

When you see clinical lecturers as well as clinical instructors working in that role when they have no experience as an RN, what do you think that their students are going to learn? Does not matter if they graduated at the top of their class, the issue is that they do not have any experience at the clinical bedside. And this is what makes a nurse.

Many hospitals in CA have stopped hiring from the Philippines even as direct hire, or thru agencies. You will not see one hospital in the Bay Area doing that, or even find more than a few in the LA area. You can say what ever you wish about this, but the problem is that too many have walked from their contracts as soon as they got their green card.

We have seen it happen over and over again, from Santa Barbara, north, and then south to the border. They are refusing, and the few that still are, many will not take a second courser at this time. And it is not for want or trying, they have, and they decided not to do it in the future. And you add in the retrogression, it is going to be much harder to get petitioned in a hospital in most areas.

AOS just had 300,000 petitions submitted in the past month or two, and that is more than double the number of visas that are issued per year to those under the EB-3 category. So that is not going to be an option of anyone for sometime.

there is only one reason why demand for filipino nurses is declining: retrogression

Do not agree with the above entirely, it is definitely not the only reason: walking from a contract is probably at a higher level on the list. This is what has irritated many HR people.

And then there is the need to wait for any foreign nurse to be petitioned: look at NY state for hospitals, or even the Bay Area. Just not happening, and that was the case before the retrogression kicked in last year.

Has somebody in here ever heard of buying out a contract when they no longer want to finish it?

Those nurses you claimed to have walked from their contracts after receiving their green card ---may have walked from their contracts--but you know very well that there is always a penalty for breaching such contracts.

Direct Hire, agencies name it-- they dont just make a deal without getting their fair share of money. Once the nurse breaches his contract, he is very much entitled to pay its corresponding penalty.

Why force oneself to work in an environment that is of no good when the grass is greener on the other side?

Direct hire, agencies and nurses breaching their contracts: They are all in a WIN-WIN SITUATION.

has anyone here ever heard of buying out a contract?

quote: ''walking from a contract is probably at a higher level on the list. this is what has irritated many hr people.'' what about the nurses welfare? does the hr have the sole right to be irritated by nurses walking from their contract. let's not forget to see why these nurses are breaching their contracts. the environment may not have been good. furthermore, the terms and conditions stated when they signed the contract were not kept just like what happened to the nurses who had been victims of the sentosa firm.

why would you want to work when you are not well compensated? or simply if what was written in print (contract) just remained in writing--no actions

direct hire, agencies--they dont just make a commitment where they would end up losing their fair share of the deal.

yes, they are irritated by nurses walking from their contracts. however, when a nurse breaches his contract, he always gets to pay its corresponding penalty. i still have the contracts here from various agencies and direct hire. for terminating a contract, you get to pay them ranging from $10,000 - $50,000.

this is what a lot of nurses have done. when they feel that they have not been treated well and they have already received their green card, they buy out their contracts to move on or transfer to another hospital that suits them well; where they feel that they are well-compensated. direct hire, agencies get their fair share of the deal when the nurse pays the penalty for terminating his contract.

why suffer when the grass is greener on the other side? why suffer when you are not treated well?

agencies, direct hire and nurses breaching their contracts-- they are all in a win-win situation.

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