What happens if we DON'T recommend nursing as a career? - page 3

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Please recommend nursing to the smartest, kindest people you know! I'll be retiring in about 20 years and would like some skilled, caring nurses left working to take care of me and my children and my children's children! ... Read More


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    I have to agree with nursedude and bunky in that I belive that the whole attutude that we have no control over what happens to nursing is someone elses fault.

    We are the ones out there and we are the ones who need to stand up and be counted. No one is going to do this for us. We need to quit blaming the problems in nursing on others and get active.

    I feel that nurses deserve better pay and working conditions. It is time we insist on these things. I do not think that "loving" what you do should be a great excuse for letting them say we do not deserve a raise, better nurse/patient ratios, benefits, NO mandatory OT ect.

    I agree with nursedude when he said that it is the attitiude of some in nursing That "nursing shoud be something you love and not something to pay the bills" directly impacts how others see this profession and has alot to do with the fact that we are NOT being adequatly compensated for our knowledge and skills.

    We, as nurses should be compensated enought as to pay our bills.

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    Hi colleagues,
    Like I indicated in all my previous posts, I agree with everyone up until a point. My heart goes out to those who are still at the bedside in the hospital setting. I agree that more pay is called for in light of the growing risks associated with hospital care. But, I got tired of working with nurses who seemingly focused on nothing but what they weren't getting out of what they were doing. In the hospital setting, it made my job that much harder, because I ended up taking care of their patients or their administrative duties as well as mine. I also got tired of defending myself to patients, physicians, and other staff who had unreasonable expectations of me because I or some other nurse continously demonstrated the "I love my job" and/or "I care about you attitude." Because of this, I lost my love for nursing practice (which by the way I never had). I now tolerate it. I go with the flow now still caring for and about patients, because as a home health nurse, I do frequently receive rewards, either verbally or otherwise, that recognize the good work I do. It's not just about the money for me, it's that occasional pat on the back. It's also about what I can do for somebody that makes a difference whether they acknowledge it or not. I love that aspect of nursing. In home health, I find that I don't have to work extra right now, because my income does meet my needs although I would like more. Nurses, we are not promised that people will respond in kind when we do our best. When I get to the point that I find nursing and the various settings were nurses work more intolerable then tolerable, then I will find another line of work more suitable for my needs and give up my license. At this point, I have no plans to return to the hospital (surely you can understand why) unless I'm ill with a chance for rehab, and at that point, I want God to have His Mercy on me.

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    Originally posted by bunky:
    This is the thing that I don't understand about the whole profession. Why is it that with college educations we sometimes need to work two jobs? I honestly don't think that I live the high life. I don't have a new Caddy in the garage, (or ANY Caddy in the garage it's a 96 Neon that I am still paying for) and it's a garage attached to a rented home at that. I do take a trip home once in a while, like two years ago was my last such trip, discount airfare and no rental car or hotels for me. I am raising two kids on my own, and we don't have a lot of perks. They have decent clothes, and decent meals, but not a "Caviar Dreams" existence by anyone's standards.

    Why should it be like this? Why shouldn't we be able to expect a bit better than this? Why do we feel we owe our services to anyone without the pay to support a middle class life? It's great to help people, but why is it that the hospital admin rake in such large salaries because of our efforts and many of us find it necessary to take on a second job to afford life's little extras? And then to walk on the floor to find I have 9 patients is inexcuseable given the salary. I don't do this job just for the money, but I SHOULD be able to expect more than this for my efforts, and so should we all.
    Why, indeed, Bunky? Maybe it's because nursing is a "helping profession", thus it attracts passive-aggressive self-sacrificing codependent people who insist on being liked by everybody? Since it seems to be largely dominated by such types, it makes it hard on those of us who actually do want a normal life and a normal family and the occasional weekend trip. I would KILL to be able to fix supper in the evenings. That means I would actually be HOME! It kills me to see people with less education and experience making so much more than I do.

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    Nursedude,
    Hear hear!! Which makes it even worse when patients tend to take me and my peers for granted and see us as pillowfluffers and pillbearers. I found out in my first job in a hospital a few years ago that nursing care was covered in the patient's bill as part of room and board! This is true. Now, here I am BSN, BA and BS and 5 classes short of an MPH and my salary is part of room and board? Is that like the complimentary stationery in the hotel room? We nurses need to rally and demand our recognition as professionals vice window dressing. At the same time, we need to act professionally. It is difficult to support a colleague who reports for their shift late, is lazy, not a team player and may actually be a lousy nurse. Comments???
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    Originally posted by PINKYE1:
    Nursedude,
    Hear hear!! Which makes it even worse when patients tend to take me and my peers for granted and see us as pillowfluffers and pillbearers. I found out in my first job in a hospital a few years ago that nursing care was covered in the patient's bill as part of room and board! This is true. Now, here I am BSN, BA and BS and 5 classes short of an MPH and my salary is part of room and board? Is that like the complimentary stationery in the hotel room? We nurses need to rally and demand our recognition as professionals vice window dressing. At the same time, we need to act professionally. It is difficult to support a colleague who reports for their shift late, is lazy, not a team player and may actually be a lousy nurse. Comments???
    Hi PinkyE1. I second your post.
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    Nursedude, et al,

    I agree that many nurses do it for reasons other than money. Many of us drive long distances to and from work each day just to do what we enjoy doing.

    Heck, I could probably make more money outside of Nursing, and have better hours, but am not ready to give up on it yet. Maybe when my back gives out I will realize that a change is needed.

    I often recommend Nursing as a career, but only with caveats. I warn the new people about the stuff that some nurses pull on each other (i.e., 'older'/more senior nurses making life difficult for the new nurse , etc.). I tell new nurses to keep their options open and to constantly "network" and be aware of better things out there. On the other hand, I am an advocate of longevity within one place of employment, if that place warrants (and is worthy of) same.

    I left a hospital that had an administration that is slowly running the place into the ground, and started last May at a hospital that specializes in a large number of cardiac patients. I also made this change because I wanted to learn more, and I have been learning a lot more (clinically and otherwise).

    I came into Nursing from a business background, so I find the problems (they are problems, not "issues") very frustrating. I plan to hang in there a while longer, but will do so with extreme caution. I, too, need to make a living and support a house, a car, myself, and all that goes with those things.
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    To all:
    I have to agree with Nursedude, Bunky and Jerry---we deserve to make a decent living. I think nursing can be one of the most rewarding professions, but just because you feel you have a "calling" doesn't mean you don't have the right to earn a decent living, especially if you are supporting a family.

    (Originally posted by Nursedude)
    >Nurses are NOT servants, we are prof
    essionals who are worth our weight in gold.

    Amen, Nursedude, to that! Funny how while our work is very beneficial to society as a whole, the $$ we make does not reflect that. And professional athletes are constantly trying to "one-up" each other to see who can get the best salary packages, which of course are in the millions. All that $$ for hitting a ball or slapping a puck into a net, or throwing a ball into a round hoop? I just don't get it!

    (Originally posted by Bunky)
    >. Don't take offence at that Nursedude, but only butt kissers, "leave your conscience at the door", "amnesia" victim types need apply for those jobs. Nurse Managers and Supervisors who actually stand up for their staff soon get beaten down by higher ups due to budgeting issues.

    I totally agree, Bunky! God forbid a middle manager actually stand up for his/her staff! While a manager such as Nursedude would be a salvation for the staff (because he would advocate for them), he would be a PIA in the eyes of the upper management types who have NO CLUE as to how to care for a patient (or in the cases of RN's with their MBA's, have been away from the bedside too long...same net effect). I hope you don't take offense at my remarks, Nursedude. I think it's great that you're vocal about your feelings and are not afraid to express them. When my patients ask me how many patients I have, or if it's busy, I answer them honestly. The way I see it, patients have a right to know why it's taking you, the RN, 20-30 mins to help them to the bathroom when there's no aide and you have a patient that is on the bell for their pain medication Q 2 hours on the dot, and another patient who may be a little confused, etc, etc. I think you all get my drift. As far as the "growing risks" which Mijourney alluded to in her post, this is what makes me fear for my license at times---being forced to care for 7 acute tele patients, ranging from fresh MI's, CVA', post-angios, arrhythmias of all kinds. Of course, the risk management people tell the RN's that "you're covered under the hospital's policy". My feeling is that when something goes bad (and we all know it has, and will), administration will find a way to change the "policy" and say you didn't follow it---therefore leaving the RN hanging out to dry :-(.

    It has left me very skeptical of nursing management---I know why they won't stand up for us, it's because they're under pressure from their bosses, all of whom have that "profits before patients" mentality and manage to brainwash the middle managers into adopting that attitude as well.

    Thanks for listening,this was a long one! :-)

    Laurie, RN
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    Nursedude.. your my hero! You say it like it is, thank God the honesty is refreshing!!!Any way I am not gonna hit my head on the wall, THEY(HMO's/Admin/JQ Public) DON'T...and see what happens....where have all the GOOD nurses gone?where they are VALUED and COMPENSATED!!!Supply and demand...do you want an RN who is TOP notch??? or will you take who ever? Let's ask the CEO's of hospital"s etc who they want taking care of themselves or family..they can't have me, they can't have my IV skills(too bad REALLY good)they can't have my ED experience or my nursing experience, I won't be the one to go over lab results/tests etc "like a hawk"I will not be the one to take time to listen/assess/educate and inform so you feel some what able to make decisions.I will not be the one to help you ease into the world safely or help you leave gently...and why not? You(HMO's/Admin/CEO's) didn't think I was valuable but I am to MY family. So let them live with their choices!
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    Originally posted by lita1857:
    Nursedude.. your my hero! You say it like it is, thank God the honesty is refreshing!!!Any way I am not gonna hit my head on the wall, THEY(HMO's/Admin/JQ Public) DON'T...and see what happens....where have all the GOOD nurses gone?where they are VALUED and COMPENSATED!!!Supply and demand...do you want an RN who is TOP notch??? or will you take who ever? Let's ask the CEO's of hospital"s etc who they want taking care of themselves or family..they can't have me, they can't have my IV skills(too bad REALLY good)they can't have my ED experience or my nursing experience, I won't be the one to go over lab results/tests etc "like a hawk"I will not be the one to take time to listen/assess/educate and inform so you feel some what able to make decisions.I will not be the one to help you ease into the world safely or help you leave gently...and why not? You(HMO's/Admin/CEO's) didn't think I was valuable but I am to MY family. So let them live with their choices!
    Lita, tell me more about yourself. I really liked your post. What are you doing if they can't have you? I also believe that the best and brightest are being driven out, everything you said is true.
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    I see nursedude and his cohorts are at it again. Instead of whinning and ******** about what is wrong with nursing today what steps are you taking to make it better?? What's that I hear?? NOTHING????? Any idiot can complain and I hope you all leave nursing because I don't want to work with you or beside you. You can not be trusted. Yes, nursing has problems, yes we could all stand to earn more and no one likes to work overtime if you don't have to. What I have found is that those who complain about these things the most are the ones who call in sick at the last minute, and the most likely to complain if they are asked to stay. Please remember the patients do not choose when they will be sick, nor can they heal themsevles by 5pm so we can all go home happy. I'm sure they would if it was possible. Many patients have told me of the increased rudeness in nurses and nurses aides. Yes we work hard and sometimes shorthanded but that is not the patient's fault nor should they be made to feel that way!!! Talk to your management team, show them how improving customer care [patient care]can improve profits, put it in their terms $$$$$ they will listen or they too will be out of work. JUST DON'T WHINE!!!! THAT IS THE MOST UNPROFESSIONAL THING THAT CAN BE DONE!!! Many other college educated people are making less than most RN's are their jobs any less important?? On another board I made the comment that if you wanted to earn more money than you were worth to become a professional ball player. That comment still stands. We as a society need to quit paying millions to our entertainers and shift that money to our teachers, nurses, MDs, and other people who save lives each day. So next time you go to a basketball game and pay 80 - 100 dollars a seat ask yourself what am I really getting? Nobody seems to complain about ticket prices but every one complains about medical costs. Go figure!!!!!!!!!!

    [This message has been edited by sonnie (edited October 02, 2000).]


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