New Grad RN-->No Jobs, Then what? - page 6
I have been reading through these threads and haven't seen an answer to this question. I know that it is tough to get a new grad RN position and some say they are still looking after a year post... Read More
Jul 28, '10 by ADPIE10It is unlikely that this situation will correct itself anytime soon. Some have alluded to the fact that our jobs have been exported, others have alluded to foreign nurses taking our jobs. There is some truth to both arguments.
My opinion is that we Americans are lost. In the past decade, we have not produced anything that the rest of the world truly needs. Instead, the majority of our goods have been manufactured abroad. Additionally, many of our intellectual property type occupations and service industries have been off-shored. The economic prosperity that we enjoyed for the past 15 years was driven by the hype of Y2K and the technology boom, then later by an artificially inflated commercial boom driven by BRIC (Brasil, Russia, India, China), as well as the real estate bubble. When the house of cards fell, the economic prosperity of those that we are expected to care for fell as well.
The baby boomer generation exchanged America's birth right through taking short term games from off-shoring and least cost sourcing. As executives in commerce and wall street were richly rewarded for short-term stock returns, we did not anticipate the consequences until too late.
We are without a vision for a "recovery". Instead, we will have to sit back and and wait for a "settling". We must encourage America to be an exporter of goods and not of jobs. Our schools must educate Americans to be the best at everything that we do.
We are in the Great Recession.
Jul 28, '10 by joanna73 GuideI agree with many of the points you have made. You are correct on many levels. However, I have experienced recession before, and while the situation is not good, we have to make the best of it. The fact is, people are getting older and sicker, and nurses will be in demand again soon.
Also, as a new (Canadian) grad, I refuse to give up hope. I won't, and I can't. Because nursing is my second, and my last career until I retire. I've invested 5 years in this, and I'm 37 soon, so, that being said, I don't care what it takes, or where I have to go to get it, I AM getting hired. Somewhere.
I just talked to another friend from school. She got hired. So there are jobs. It just means being persistent, making contacts, and being realistic. This whole situation makes me sick, for all of us. However, if I chose to believe that I won't get a job for 8 months, then I may as well cut my wrists right now. No way that is happening!
Hang in there. One thing I've learned in all this, which is a good lesson: If I don't need it, I'm not buying it. That's how we lead into these recessions in the first place. People (including governments!) spend what they can't afford.
Aug 5, '10 by NightNurse876Quote from whewwewon1this isnt right. i am not a citizen, i'm a premanent resident. been in the us since i was 9. i work just as hard or even harder than most and for a citizen to get a job merely bc they r one is not right. fyi it cost 700.oo to be a citizen anyone can be a freakin citizen...money talks ok. so be mindful when you say these things please.*** it doesn't matter where the foreign nurse is educated the us federal department of labor states it clearly the a citizen cannot be refused employment and a non-citizen be given the job, or continue to fill the position. check this on your computers by going into the site and search the subject.. takes about 2 minutes. please read on!!
the federal department of labor clearly states that; united states citizens take precedance and a non-citizen cannot be employed if a united states citizen is available for the job. but this is not the case! rn's that are united states citizens are not given precedance, united states citizen new grad rn's are not being given precedance either. here is a link that has a power point from the california institute of nursing and health care, that states on page 7 that 16% of the rn's in california are foreign nurses. whether they are on visa's or have green cards (e3's, etc. and/or have permanent residency - green card), these nurses should not be employed when a rn who is a us citizen needs a job! furthermore, the foreign nurses are getting employed without verifiable job references and proof of positive employment histories. the foreign nurses are gaining experience while employed here, which further disables us citizen new grad rn's from getting hired. us citizen nurses job history backgrounds are scrutinized and a foreign rn who doesn't even have verifiable (cannot prove the legitamacy) job references etc. can get the job instead. in california 16% = 64,000 foreign rn's (we have a total of approximately 400,000 rn's). i would say that number is greatly affecting us rn's from getting jobs!! this is just in california.. another point is that the cinhc estimated that in 2009, 5,768 california new grad rn's would get hired for jobs and 3,812 california new grad rn's would not get a job (page 23 of the power point). yet, the cinhc wants to continue to flood the market in california. with new grad rn's that will not get jobs. the reason for this is that they want to receive the annual $60,000,000 for the states budget for nursing education - because this pays for their nursing instructor salaries. here is the link - http://www.cinhc.org/wordpress/wp-co...ionsed0809.pdf
Aug 19, '10 by nursepenelope, BSNAfter 2 years in LTC I thought for sure i would be hireable in acute care, but I am still considered a new grad with no experience and don't qualify for ng programs bc i'm not a new grad and have worked as a nurse for longer than 6 months. I wasn't picky and have worked every shift. Cried when I got offered a job in skilled. But, I have to say that at least I have a job and I do love the residents. Skilled nursing is hard work, but it can be very satisfying and I think that nursing in general is hard. As with anything, there are good and bad days. I have learned a great deal, but am still applying for every acute care job that comes my way. Can't wait for things to get better!!!
Aug 21, '10 by SunshineRN79Yes you can be in any other nursing situation other than acute care and you are still not considered able to work in the hospital. You can also count out new grad programs because WE are not new grads anymore. I guess we've hit a wall.
Sep 3, '10 by INTERFERRONI am a highly frustrated new grad RN living in PA without a job. I recently got hired by a home healthcare agency doing Pediatrics. Will this home care experience count as anything should this unemployment continue for more than a year? What do we do if this situation doesn't change in the coming years? Any help to answer these questions will be highly appreciated.
Sep 8, '10 by mmm333I had the "overqualified" experience. I applied for a unit clerk position and it went well, they gave me training materials, told me I was basically hired, made all sorts of plans for me to start- and then a few days later I came in to volunteer as usual and everyone was looking at me funny- HR had cancelled the hire and sent me a letter saying only "we hired someone else". Everyone on the unit was apologizing to me and felt bad. The fact is, I wouldn't have hired me, knowing that I would only stay in the position until an RN spot opened up. They are looking for people who will stay in the position for 10 years.
I think the consensus for new grads is: get all of the training and low-level "work" you can find, even volunteering. When things open up, just hope that you are not "old news" compared to the fresh new grads. That or, find another profession, either temporarily or permanently (of course you risk ending up right back where you started with no job). If you find a real RN position in Antarctica, don't waste any time worrying about the cold weather- just say "yes" and go do it for a year or two so that you'll be a real RN and can then move wherever you want. If you really want to be an RN, you have to "dig in" and pursue any possible means of retaining your skills.Last edit by mmm333 on Sep 8, '10
Sep 12, '10 by jcolumberjust thought i would add my name in the hat as well...I have been a licensed RN since Jan 2010 and still have no job. I graduated in 2009. It seems as though, if you don't have a least 1yr exp, no one will hire. I can't get a 1yr exp, if no one hires me.... help please???
Sep 12, '10 by joanna73 GuideI think you just have to be willing to take whatever you can get. And try networking as much as you can....faculty, friends of friends....even people on this message board. I got very lucky because I met someone here and got a job. After the interview, I had another potential offer come in for OR nursing in another Province (I'm in Canada). I am relocating for this job, and very happy to do it.
Aside from myself, I know of friends who either got lucky from someone they met, or they were hired out of their placements. If you are sending resumes, try to follow up. Just sending the resume won't cut it right now.
Things will start to open up probably by mid year next year, but when you have loans to pay, that's a long time to wait. Good luck to all of you.
Sep 12, '10 by magnolia nurseits been tough out there this year.. I have an friend who is experienced and is also having difficulty finding work..
go to www.usajobs.gov. if you are willing to move I bet you will find one..
Sep 17, '10 by AkeosI've been out of school for 7 months and no job prospects yet. I know I'm losing my skills so I was going to volunteer at the local health fair, and they asked what I am qualified to do, well I'm an RN but i dont feel qualified for anything because I haven't been able to do skills or assessment for so long. Any ideas on how i can start using my skills even without a job?
Sep 17, '10 by bekindtokittensI just spent my first year of nursing in psych, and decided I wanted to get a med/surg job because I wanted something new, something to refresh and keep my skills. I've been to so many interviews and been lied to so many times, that once again, I'm angry with the hospital systems in my area. I feel like cattle, herded into a group interview, told how wonderfully I interviewed, how they love me and that HR will be calling me with a job offer, and then...nothing. Well, not exactly nothing -- an email four weeks later saying I didn't get the job. I've sent thank you notes, called these nurse managers who praised me in order to get feedback...nothing, no feedback whatsoever.
I just took a job at a facility that does LTC, rehab, and sub-acute. I'll be on sub-acute and get experience with trachs, vents, PICCs, PEGs, and other good stuff. I applied for the company on a Tuesday, interviewed on Wednesday, and was offered a job on Thursday. I'm a "the cup's half empty" kind of person, so I'm wondering, are they desperate? But no, all the nurses there were pleasant and no one was rushing around.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't focus solely on hospitals. There are opportunities out there; you just have to be creative in your search. I found my new job on craigslist.
Sep 17, '10 by nursepenelope, BSNDear "bekindtokittens" Where did you land a job where you will have trachs at the sn level? I work in LTC but the best I get is IV therapy. I feel so cheated not having an acute care experience.