Nursing Diagnoses: Useless Statements secondary to Professional Insecurity

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I vowed upon my graduation from nursing school (second semester into nursing school really. I skipped graduation.) that I would devote my career to abolishing the utterly useless institutions of NIC, NOC, NANDA. It's now been 2 years since my graduation, but I have not made any effort. Why? Because I've largely forgotten about nursing diagnoses.

But then I remembered, and their existence irritated me. Why? Because their mere existence is a testament to the insecurity and defensiveness nursing presents as a profession.

As nurses we are a distinct profession with unique duties and professional autonomy. While to the public it may appear that we are physician handmaidens and that physicians are the one's calling all the shots, we have a very specific, invaluable role to play in healthcare. Let's face it: Without nurses, how does a hospital function? How would patient's survive?

Though it often seems that physician's are taught in medical school that nursing is a profession that is inferior and that our duties are limited only to bedpans and husband shopping, we know better. But, we also know that the public generally does not know better. Although nursing consistently ranks as a trusted profession, we are held in lower regard than physicians. This is partly related to the fact that many of our duties are related helping patients with basic activities of daily living. It, of course, does not take advanced training and education to help someone to the toilet or provide oral care. But our duties that do rely on our medical training and scientific knowledge - recognition and prevention of potentially life threatening complications - and our role as patient advocate, are typically unseen by a patient and his family. And, of course, many physicians see our patient advocacy role, which manifests itself as repeated phone calls requesting orders that should have been written in the first place and to relay signs and symptoms of decompensation, as a nuisance or as insubordination. ("How dare you question my order! I'm a physician. You're just a nurse! etc..")

So what does the Nursing Profession do? It comes up with the stupid idea of Nursing Diagnoses. Any student nurse can tell you that diagnosing belongs in the realm of the physician. Nurses do not diagnose. Oh, but we are so insecure! Our jobs are important too! We have our own unique diagnoses to make! According to NANDA nursing diagnoses are "a clinical judgement about individual, family, or community responses to actual or potential health problems/life processes. Nursing diagnoses provide the basis for selection of nursing interventions to achieve outcomes for which the nurse is accountable."

So, as nurses we see a clinical problem (actual or potential). We "diagnose" the problem, then we solve it. Most nurses, I would hazard to guess, are able to do this without stopping to think of the official NANDA "diagnosis." We see a patient in pain, we administer pain medication as ordered or we call the physician for an appropriate order. If we have a patient that is admitted for pneumonia, we do not stop and "diagnose" the patient, we work with them to improve their lung function.

Nursing diagnoses really are elaborate ways of stating the obvious. Of course a patient who s/p abdominal surgery is going to have an "alteration in comfort." Of course someone with pneumonia is going to have "impaired gas exchange." These are obvious to anyone with an IQ above 70. Surgery hurts, and when your lungs are infected you don't breathe so good. So what must the other members of the health care team think of such painfully obvious "diagnoses?" It comes off as nurses trying, pathetically, to elevate their profession to the same level as physicians. But we aren't physicians. We are nurses. Our role is vital, but different. Why not, then, spend our efforts at educating the public about what we do, and why we're important. Why are we wasting our time trying to be "diagnose" the obvious?

So, who's with me?

(Sorry that this is rather incoherent. This is a rambling post about my thoughts on nursing diagnoses. I plan on coming up with something a bit more cogent later. I just felt the need to get this off my chest now.)

I don't believe that nurses will ever been seen as a profession or as professionals until we delegate ADL care and yet that is when most of the phsycial assessment is done for our clients.

Why would doing ADL care make you less of a professional?

Why would doing ADL care make you less of a professional?

They weren't saying that ADL care makes you less of a professional, but that ADL care makes you seem to others to be less of a professional.

ADL care typically isn't an activity that requires an advanced education and licensure or takes critical thinking skills. Most people see assisting with ADLs as an activity that anyone can do, and is a job for people who are not professionals.

This is view held mostly by people who are not nurses. (Although I have certainly met nurses who think this as well.) Many Doctors and other medical professionals (especially the older ones) see a nurse as someone who passes out blankets and bedpans and does little else.

If I neglect ADL care of my patients I actually think that's pretty unprofessional - its neglecting my patient. If someone else chooses to see that facet as my job as unprofessional, that really doesn't concern me.

If you really want to promote nursing as a profession, I think you have to act in a way that supports and advances nursing as a profession. That means act in a professional manner at work, pursue continuing education, and contribute to the training of new nurses. It also means insisting on being treated as a professional - no rudeness or disrespect from other providers, courtesy between nurses, fair pay, etc.

I still don't see the system of nursing diagnosis as being helpful in either improving patient care, communication, or enhancing the profession of nursing. It just makes assesment and communication more complicated and convoluted. I get an energy field disturbance just thinking about!

I still don't see the system of nursing diagnosis as being helpful in either improving patient care, communication, or enhancing the profession of nursing. It just makes assesment and communication more complicated and convoluted. I get an energy field disturbance just thinking about!

Hehe. You'll get no argument from me!

Now I suppose we'll have to get a text book to figure out how to replace your displaced aura. Do you think we should call a doctor? ;)

The way I see it is that professional nursing roles encompass a variety of different functions, many functions which aren't unique to nursing. The most widely recognized nursing functions are what I'll call "bedside maintenance & monitoring" - administering routine meds, toileting, bathing, taking vitals, relaying info to the physician, and the like is usually considered "nursing", even when being carried out by lay people. There are different levels of bedside maintenance & monitoring from ad hoc family caregiving during a bout of the flu to highly technical medical interventions in an ICU. You can have "professionals" at all levels, from the most basic caregiving on up. Whether or not a line of work is "a profession" has to do with semantics.

Nurses who engage in preventative health, anesthesia, surgical scrubbing and several other types of nursing may not perform any of the "typical" nursing functions described above. After all, immunizations, administering anesthesia and surgical scrubbing are all also performed professionally & expertly by non-nurses and are not necessarily considered "nursing".

Nursing care encompasses several fields, psychology, medicine, social work, public health etc... so right there why try to create a body of "diagnoses" unique to nursing? There is the area of what I've called "bedside maintenance & monitoring" which includes identifying risk for and preventing things like bedsores, contractures, malnutrition, constipation, etc. Nursing care plans often address issues and it is a valuable function in professional nursing care. Still no need for "diagnoses" there either!!!! Good assessment and problem-solving? Definitely!

I have not once in the last two years as a practicing nurse used a nursing diagnosis, made a care plan, or heard a doctor or other nurse mention a nursing diagnosis or care plan. In school I found them totally confusing. While trying to memorize medical knowledge I was also asked to put it into simpleton language. It embarassed me to do so. I agree with the original post. I feel that Nursing Diagnoses need to go the way of white hats and skirts on the job. I consider my self as part of the medical team. Nursing diagnoses are not useful to me. I am curious to konw how and where previous posters have used nursing diagnoses or care plans in there practice recently? I may be overlooking something very important here. Please enlighten me.:redbeathe

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.

we use nursing care plans in hospice daily...

my current employer requires "NANDA type" language...but the verbage is all preloaded into the computer...I simply have to choose the most appropriate descriptors, goals, and interventions. we do have the option to create custom language for each patient. we do not actually call them "nursing diagnosis" but that is what they are none the less.

It is required that we (each discipline) review the plan of care each visit...so that means MSW, nrsg, MD...anyone visiting or collaborating on the patient's care must look at the POC developed by the case nurse. the plan for each patient is reviewed in each team meeting.

our nursing plan is where the other staff can determine when the foley needs to be changed, when the port needs to be flushed, what the wound care should be, what to do with the stoma or tube or trach...etc. and, that POC addresses all of the needs of the patient, not just the medical needs...

the nursing diagnosis is, afterall, simply one part of the nursing process. I understand the ND as a method to document our findings and create plans without falling into the trap of making a medical diagnosis (in error). the language used is awkward and uncomfortable for most of us...but the process itself is useful.

do I think that every nursing specialty and every nurse should interact with the nursing process in the same fashion...heck no...but I also don't think we should discard the nursing process for a strictly medical process either. We are, afterall, nurses and not medical assistants.

What I often see when working with nurses in the hospital setting, in LTC and in other settings, is that problem lists may be created and a few interventions identified...but too often the goals are unclear and the evaluation of progress toward goals or effectiveness of the nursing plan is an afterthought or possibly not occuring at all. This represents an incomplete nursing process and is likely part of the reason that some patients suffer preventable complications.

there is no question that nurses today are over worked and have little time for semantics. it is clear that hospitals frequently view nurses as only important in terms of carrying out physician orders (and doing all the other stuff that they don't want to pay someone else to do). it is also clear to most of us that when professional nurses are allowed the latitude to effectively carry out the nursing process when caring for our patients, the patients benefit. There are fewer falls, fewer wound infections, fewer UTIs in foley patients, fewer unplanned occurences in general...all good things for patients and for the hospitals/facilities that care for them.

I have not once in the last two years as a practicing nurse used a nursing diagnosis, made a care plan, or heard a doctor or other nurse mention a nursing diagnosis or care plan. In school I found them totally confusing. While trying to memorize medical knowledge I was also asked to put it into simpleton language. It embarassed me to do so. I agree with the original post. I feel that Nursing Diagnoses need to go the way of white hats and skirts on the job. I consider my self as part of the medical team. Nursing diagnoses are not useful to me. I am curious to konw how and where previous posters have used nursing diagnoses or care plans in there practice recently? I may be overlooking something very important here. Please enlighten me.:redbeathe

Most of the sites I've had clinical at use nursing diagnoses along with careplans. There's a template that is individualized to the patient- one location does a daily prioritization of the patient's diagnoses.

I don't really see the big deal- if it's "common sense" (an odd choice of words on the OP's part since evidence based practice has overturned a lot of "common sense") to know that pneumonia comes with impaired gas exchange, how is using the nursing diagnosis, which focuses on the patient's response, hard to figure out? Without a standardized language linked to standardized interventions, it's much harder to systematically analyze our actions and the results. I think it is also useful to highlight what we do independently for the patient (regardless of the cause, a patient with impaired gas exchange will require certain specific interventions from us): my instructors aren't requiring care plans in our final quarter, and while I'm happy to have the extra 2 hours a week of free time, I think having to write up nursing diagnoses and care plans helped me organize the specific patient's care and to practice in a more anticipatory rather than reactionary fashion.

With all due respect to the late Daytonite (who on this site helped MANY students, myself included, get a grasp of care plans) I say this...

The care plans are a complete waste of time. I graduated in December, and have been out of orientation and on my own on a very busy Med-Surg unit for about 4 months. Care plans do have a place maybe in first semester of school to teach you what you need to be considering while caring for patients, but they are WAY over emphasized and have absolutely no practical application in my practice.

They are just nonsense. We have them printed on these sheets that get passed from shift to shift, only to be signed and placed on the shelf until you hand them to the next shift.

I am too busy actually working to use them. I mean seriously, do I have to look at the paper to say this person has knowledge deficit r/t disease process? Potential infection r/t an IV? They are just busy work, and I have enough of that already. I already have to chart about 500 different things a shift (not exaggerating, add up charting IV sites Q2, fall precautions, rounding, meds, nurses notes, assessments, I&Os, etc. x 5-6 patients).

I like what I do, but sadly we are so busy that it is a struggle to just give meds, do dressing changes, and chart without being an 1-2 hours late every shift.

Does it make any difference to me if the person has alteration to metabolism r/t DM or alteration to nutrition r/t NPO status? No...I look at the orders the MD wrote, and I carry them out. I understand that they may need teaching regarding some of these issues, and I'll provide it, but not because I looked at the care plan...

I couldn't agree with you more. I thought I was alone with this position!

I have not seen or even heard of a nursing diagnosis or care plan since I graduated 13 years ago. Personally, I believe they are a total waste of time for nurses and nursing students. In my area of the country, nurses provide care following hospital policy and procedures based on physicians orders, not nursing diagnosis or care plans, I have worked in multiple magnet facilities none of which utilize care plans and all deliver the highest quality care. It's sad that nursing school is not evolving and changing as healthcare changes. Nurses want to be viewed as a valuable team member but our educators are still teaching concepts that have no value in the real world.

I wrote this. Not really, but this was EXACTLY my feelings 20 years ago when presented with the same ********.

I simply ignored it and followed the medical dx. I quickly realized that the purpose a nsg dx was to sell textbooks and to add nonsense to the curriculum.

I still don't really adhere to the idea that critical care nurses give "care." I prefer to think of it as "treatments," much as a physical therapist does.

Another sore spot too: Who's the physical therapist when there is no physical therapist? Who's the respiratory therapist when there is no RT? Who's the pharmacist when there is no pharmacist? Who's the CNA when there is no CNA? Who's the "crisis" team, the "diabetic teaching" team, the speech therapist, the psychologist, etc., etc., when the hospital you work in doesn't hire them, use them, or staff them 24 hours a day? Stupid NURSES who have passively assumed all of the roles for lack of strength in simple numbers.

I worked night shift with nothing but male nurses. All of us, about 8 at a time. Piece of cake. Go with the flow. No "issues." Screw the signing of care plans. Screw the "get the doctor to sign the 12 hour restraint orders." Screw JCAHO and their "can't do this or that, no beds in the hallways, use an entirely separate tubing for EACH IV abx, etc." crap. Screw turning "every two hours." No human being tosses and turns every two hours throughout their sleep pattern unless they're coming down from a drunk. And we have BETTER outcomes because more of what is needed gets done. We have all the time we need.

Men don't take maternity leave. Men don't have baby well-checks. Men don't have...well, you've heard it all before. Didn't mean to go THERE again, but it always comes up.

Doctors don't yell at men. We yell back. This keeps everyone on an even keel. Visitors are kicked out, not allowed to linger.

More work gets done when you maintain a male perspective.

But yeah, we like a hot female nurse that is smart and competent too. But there just ain't that many around.

Oh hell, I'm sleepy and rambling.

Go ahead girls. Type away in vicious response. Moderators have me banned again and again. I can't change the way you think, but I can make you think and make you mad enough to realize the BS needs to stop.

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