Got an email saying that we are encouraged to have our MSN by 2017

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Anyone else got this bomb dropped on you?? Partial tuition reimbursement will be given. I thought that getting a BSN would keep them happy. When will it be encouraged that we are all NPs or PAs or MDs?

OP did they say anything about a substantial pay increase for this MSN?

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Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
The nursing "profession" is not even considered a "true profession" simply because we have not taken control of our educational standards. We are getting better but until our profession sits down and sets universal standards of education for entry into the profession we are simply an occupation.
I couldn't disagree with you more. To say that we are not a profession just because of entry educational standards is simply the profession defeating itself...once again.

While I agree we need to have a single entry into nursing, if only to cease this incessant bickering, I do not believe it will make us any more or any less "professional".

A profession is a vocation founded upon specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply objective counsel and service to others, for a direct and definite compensation, wholly apart from expectation of other business gain.

Occupation is a Job (role), a regular activity performed for payment, that occupies one's time.

I believe nurses receive "specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply objective counsel and service to others" therefore making us a profession....but by definition I guess we are both....someone who has specialized education for financial gain.

I could not find what degree that is obtained specified and the determining factor whether a profession is an occupation dependent upon a masters degree.

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Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

A profession is a vocation founded upon specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply objective counsel and service to others, for a direct and definite compensation, wholly apart from expectation of other business gain. Occupation is a Job (role), a regular activity performed for payment, that occupies one's time. I believe nurses receive "specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply objective counsel and service to others" therefore making us a profession....but by definition I guess we are both....someone who has specialized education for financial gain. I could not find what degree that is obtained specified and the determining factor whether a profession is an occupation dependent upon a masters degree.

THIS THIS THIS!!!

I think a percentage of individuals in our business have to come to terms with this...THAT will strengthen out profession MORE than anything else; that's the first step.... :yes:

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I couldn't disagree with you more. To say that we are not a profession just because of entry educational standards is simply the profession defeating itself...once again.

While I agree we need to have a single entry into nursing, if only to cease this incessant bickering, I do not believe it will make us any more or any less "professional".

A profession is a vocation founded upon specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply objective counsel and service to others, for a direct and definite compensation, wholly apart from expectation of other business gain.

Occupation is a Job (role), a regular activity performed for payment, that occupies one's time.

I believe nurses receive "specialized educational training, the purpose of which is to supply objective counsel and service to others" therefore making us a profession....but by definition I guess we are both....someone who has specialized education for financial gain.

I could not find what degree that is obtained specified and the determining factor whether a profession is an occupation dependent upon a masters degree.

I would agree that we appear to be a full profession from the outside but having a uniformed basic level of education, controlled by the profession, for entry into the profession is a pillar of what a profession is.

I did not invent this, I am not making this up, this is what it is. The educational standards for Georgia are not what they are for New Mexico, nor are they the same for California. What is the educational level for entry into the profession? Diploma? ADN? BSN? MSN?

Ever since the founding of the first guilds a bazillion years ago the standards of education to the entry into the profession has been a set standard. I would LOVE to think of nursing as a full profession and we can even kid ourselves on this. Until we ARE a profession and we are seen as a profession we are only blowing smoke. Sorry.

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Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

Where does it say that multiple levels of education for entry disqualifies one as a profession.

uniformed basic level of education, controlled by the profession, for entry into the profession is a pillar of what a profession is.
Is that one point of view?

Even if this is the case...all levels of entry to this profession is regulated/controlled by the profession....hence the BON and the educational/clinical requirements.

Therefore it remains a profession.

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