What do you think about nurses and PA's being called "Doctor"? - page 6

by PalmHarborMom

I am wondering what everyone thinks about Physician Assistants and Nurses with Doctorate degrees being called "Doctor"? I ask because there have been several times in the last few years that I have had family members be... Read More


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    Devil, please do not take this the wrong way, BUT you just said "[COLOR=#000000]I earned my title, I have my independent autonomous practice, and I'll fight for both. Why won't you?"[/COLOR]

    [COLOR=#000000]Last time I checked, NP's must be at the very least, in collaboration with an MD or DO. That kind of detracts from the whole independent, autonomous claim... I don't doubt that you've earned your title,(strange though, we don't refer to CNP's and FNP's who possess the same credentials as you, as doctor) but to say you are completely independent and autonomous is a flat out lie. [/COLOR]
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    psu_213- My daughter broke her arm and her Dr at the Emergency room name was Dr. Pain (spelled differently) That might not be the best name to comfort your patients, it scared thhe heck out of my daughter. To me it was funny!


    I know that I started this thread with an innocent question, I naively thought that I could get a civil response. I do appreciate everyone's educational accomplishments and will continue to do so. After seeing the heated response, I will just see what a person likes to be called rather than offend them and explain to the patient if there are any questions.
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    It is important though OP. People are justifiably proud of their educational achievements, however, patients need to know if they are talking to an MD or a mid-level provider.

    I think it is wrong in the health care provider arena when you are providing care to address yourself as "doctor" without explaining your role completely. Because to 99% of patients that word means a physician.

    Ok, I am now going to run like _____ for the hills!
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    Quote from realmaninuniform
    Devil, please do not take this the wrong way, BUT you just said "[COLOR=#000000]I earned my title, I have my independent autonomous practice, and I'll fight for both. Why won't you?"[/COLOR]

    [COLOR=#000000]Last time I checked, NP's must be at the very least, in collaboration with an MD or DO. That kind of detracts from the whole independent, autonomous claim... I don't doubt that you've earned your title,(strange though, we don't refer to CNP's and FNP's who possess the same credentials as you, as doctor) but to say you are completely independent and autonomous is a flat out lie. [/COLOR]
    You should be sure you know what your are talking about before calling someone a liar.
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    "You should be sure you know what your are talking about before calling someone a liar."

    From the AAFP - "
    Current Academy policy on NPPs stipulates that these providers should always function under the "direction and responsible supervision" of a practicing, licensed physician though in many states nurse practitioners have independent practice authority." In my state there is no such thing as standalone NP's who are "completely independent and autonomous". While it may be different in your state, I am fairly sure one must at least be in collaboration with a physician, even if it is by something as simple as email.
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    Quote from realmaninuniform
    "You should be sure you know what your are talking about before calling someone a liar."

    From the AAFP - "
    Current Academy policy on NPPs stipulates that these providers should always function under the "direction and responsible supervision" of a practicing, licensed physician though in many states nurse practitioners have independent practice authority." In my state there is no such thing as standalone NP's who are "completely independent and autonomous". While it may be different in your state, I am fairly sure one must at least be in collaboration with a physician, even if it is by something as simple as email.
    LOL. What you posted is a press release. You really need to learn more about the NP career. NPs currently have independent (complete autonomous, independent practice and prescribing, NO collaboration necessary) in about ~14 states and are making gains. I believe Devil lives in one of those 14 states, so the statement that Devil is a completely independent provider would actually be very true.

    For your education: Nurse Practitioner Scope of Practice Law Guide | Barton Associates
    Last edit by myelin on Oct 30, '12
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    Quote from realmaninuniform
    "You should be sure you know what your are talking about before calling someone a liar."

    From the AAFP - "
    Current Academy policy on NPPs stipulates that these providers should always function under the "direction and responsible supervision" of a practicing, licensed physician though in many states nurse practitioners have independent practice authority." In my state there is no such thing as standalone NP's who are "completely independent and autonomous". While it may be different in your state, I am fairly sure one must at least be in collaboration with a physician, even if it is by something as simple as email.
    LOL...you've managed to dig your hole deeper.

    The AAFP is no authority on the manner. This is no more then a guideline, or more accurately, a recommendation to their members who happen to employ a NP.
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    Quote from myelin
    LOL. What you posted is a press release. You really need to learn more about the NP career. NPs currently have independent (complete autonomous, independent practice, NO collaboration necessary) in about ~14 states and are making gains. I believe Devil lives in one of those 14 states, so the statement that Devil is a completely independent provider would actually be very true.
    And the devil lies in the details

    (sorry)
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    Quote from realmaninuniform
    Devil, please do not take this the wrong way, BUT you just said "[COLOR=#000000]I earned my title, I have my independent autonomous practice, and I'll fight for both. Why won't you?"[/COLOR]

    [COLOR=#000000]Last time I checked, NP's must be at the very least, in collaboration with an MD or DO. That kind of detracts from the whole independent, autonomous claim... I don't doubt that you've earned your title,(strange though, we don't refer to CNP's and FNP's who possess the same credentials as you, as doctor) but to say you are completely independent and autonomous is a flat out lie. [/COLOR]
    Ahem, check again, and check every state practice act. You do not know of what you speak and you owe me an apology. Next time, before you attempt to assail my good name and call me a liar, perhaps you ought to have your facts. I work in an independent practice state my good sir. I am in fact, by law, a completely independent provider in every aspect. There is nothing an MD/DO primary care provider can do that I cannot in this state, and need neither oversight or "collaboration," thank you.

    Be very careful about boldly proclaiming to be so sure about that which you are so very clearly misinformed. It will surely create many awkward situations for you.
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    As of 2010, 37 states require some form of collaboration, supervision or delegation from a physician for an NP to practice; other 13 states have true independent practice

    Robert Wood Johnson Foundation pdf:
    Nurse Practitioner-Physician Collaboration Requirements by State
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