What do you think about nurses and PA's being called "Doctor"? - page 4

I am wondering what everyone thinks about Physician Assistants and Nurses with Doctorate degrees being called "Doctor"? I ask because there have been several times in the last few years that I... Read More

  1. Visit  Asystole RN profile page
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    Quote from realmaninuniform
    "I think someone has never stepped foot on a university before. You really need to look into the history of educational titles and the use thereof."

    I beg your pardon... How many degree's do you hold? I have two - a BS in Business Administration with a minor in Economics as well as a BSN. I've stepped more feet on a university than you can count. It is because I hold these degrees and have seen the lack luster curriculum of other professions, that I feel educational achievement does not define titles.

    State law in all 50 states confirms this. Try to practice medicine, nursing, therapy, architecture, education, carpentry, electrician, virtually anything without a license. You may be able to call yourself something for a while, and do it but it is not legal. You need a license. And just because you went to college for something doesn't mean you have a license and are legal to practice your trade. PERIOD.
    There are titles of educational achievement.
    There are titles of licensure status.
    All medical doctors hold an educational title of doctor. Not all those who hold the educational title of doctor are medical doctors.

    For someone so learned, I would think you would have had ample experience with those holding an educational title of doctor but were not medical doctors.
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  2. Visit  Asystole RN profile page
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    Quote from Szasz_is_Right
    Exactly.
    Am I the only one who works in a facility with pharmacists, microbiologists, infection preventionists, nurses, and teachers who all hold the title of doctor? Thats just to name a few doctors.
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  3. Visit  psu_213 profile page
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Am I the only one who works in a facility with pharmacists, microbiologists, infection preventionists, nurses, and teachers who all hold the title of doctor? Thats just to name a few doctors.
    No, you're not. Our unit pharmacist is a Pharm D. While we always call her by her first name, there was a recent hospital publication that included her profile and it referred to her as Dr. Fraser (last name changed to protect the innocent).
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    Quote from realmaninuniform
    Try to practice medicine, nursing, therapy, architecture, education, carpentry, electrician, virtually anything without a license. You may be able to call yourself something for a while, and do it but it is not legal. You need a license.
    I disagree with this. I know retired physicians who have chose to let the license lapse. They are not legally allowed to practice medicine. Everyone still refers to the as "doctor." It is a title they earned by virtue of their education and whether or not their are licensed has no bearing on how people address them.
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  5. Visit  BlueDevil,DNP profile page
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    Quote from TracyE78
    It's a gross misrepresentation of title and power and education level.
    Please explain this. I hold the same "power" as my MD licensed colleagues though our educational paths and degrees differ. I do have occasion to use my title, "Doctor Devil" at times, as I am entitled, having earned it. I'd like to hear how I am "misrepresenting my power," according to you.
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  6. Visit  BlueDevil,DNP profile page
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    Oct 18 by Szasz_is_Right Quote from MedChica
    When you say 'doctor' in a medical setting, it's synonomous [sic] with 'physican'.


    What you are failing to account for, while once true, is that this is just simply no longer the case.
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  7. Visit  siRNita profile page
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    I run into this problem when volunteering at a clinic where I translate. There's not a good, easy way to say nurse practitioner in spanish. (See this website http://www.practicingspanish.com/nursepractitioner.html) For a lot of my patients it seems like the provider will be a doctor whether they are in fact or not. Anyway, the PAs and NPs are very modest at this clinic and work completely within their scope of practice... it's just one of those difficulties in translation.
  8. Visit  goofeegirl profile page
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    A doctorate of any field is a terminal degree and so the person has earned the right to be called Dr. However, it is not prudent in a medical field to refer to anyone besides a MD or DO as doctor because of the confusion. Here in GA it is illegal for a NP with a DNP to refer to themselves as doctor. I'm currently working on my DNP and while it would be cool to be called Dr. Goofee, I won't be allowed that.

    As always, check with your BON on the legalities of using the title Dr whenever earning the degree and practicing in the field of medicine or nursing.
  9. Visit  Asystole RN profile page
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    Quote from goofeegirl
    A doctorate of any field is a terminal degree and so the person has earned the right to be called Dr. However, it is not prudent in a medical field to refer to anyone besides a MD or DO as doctor because of the confusion. Here in GA it is illegal for a NP with a DNP to refer to themselves as doctor. I'm currently working on my DNP and while it would be cool to be called Dr. Goofee, I won't be allowed that.

    As always, check with your BON on the legalities of using the title Dr whenever earning the degree and practicing in the field of medicine or nursing.
    I wonder if Psychiatrists, Pharmacists, Microbiologists, or anyone besides a MD or DO gets to be called Doctor?
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  10. Visit  BlueDevil,DNP profile page
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    Quote from goofeegirl
    A doctorate of any field is a terminal degree and so the person has earned the right to be called Dr. However, it is not prudent in a medical field to refer to anyone besides a MD or DO as doctor because of the confusion. Here in GA it is illegal for a NP with a DNP to refer to themselves as doctor. I'm currently working on my DNP and while it would be cool to be called Dr. Goofee, I won't be allowed that.

    As always, check with your BON on the legalities of using the title Dr whenever earning the degree and practicing in the field of medicine or nursing.
    Stop drinking the kool-aid passed out by the Georgia BOM, lol. It is not "imprudent" for you to be called Doctor. Unless residents of Georgia are uncommonly stupid, they can handle it. They can learn. Fight for your title. Do not continue to be beaten down, hogtied and brainwashed by the AMA that your patients are too dumb or too vulnerable to be told the truth about your educational level. Because you and I both know, this doesn't have one scintilla of connection to concern about what the patient might become confused about. Since when have physicians as a whole cared about patients being the least bit confused about medicine and it's goings on? ROTFLOL

    No, This is about power, and ultimately money. Don't roll over so easily. Or go ahead, if you must, but don't demean the patient and pretend they are the reason you do it. Just admit you don't have the stones to stand up and fight for what's yours. Just don't try to take me down with you.

    I earned my title, I have my independent autonomous practice, and I'll fight for both. Why won't you?

    The suffragists must have been a frustrated lot, lol. I know how they must have felt!
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  11. Visit  psu_213 profile page
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    Quote from goofeegirl
    it would be cool to be called Dr. Goofee
    OK, maybe a bit off topic, but I could not resist...being introduced to 'Dr. Goofee' may be even more disturbing to being introduced to 'Dr. Devil.'
  12. Visit  realmaninuniform profile page
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    Devil, please do not take this the wrong way, BUT you just said "[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I earned my title, I have my independent autonomous practice, and I'll fight for both. Why won't you?"

    [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Last time I checked, NP's must be at the very least, in collaboration with an MD or DO. That kind of detracts from the whole independent, autonomous claim... I don't doubt that you've earned your title,(strange though, we don't refer to CNP's and FNP's who possess the same credentials as you, as doctor) but to say you are completely independent and autonomous is a flat out lie.
  13. Visit  PalmHarborMom profile page
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    psu_213- My daughter broke her arm and her Dr at the Emergency room name was Dr. Pain (spelled differently) That might not be the best name to comfort your patients, it scared thhe heck out of my daughter. To me it was funny!


    I know that I started this thread with an innocent question, I naively thought that I could get a civil response. I do appreciate everyone's educational accomplishments and will continue to do so. After seeing the heated response, I will just see what a person likes to be called rather than offend them and explain to the patient if there are any questions.
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