Uncharitable Care: How Hospitals Are Gouging and Even Arresting the Uninsured

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Uncharitable Care: How Hospitals Are Gouging and Even Arresting the Uninsured By The Staff of Democracy Now!

What do the Emir of Kuwait and the working poor of the United States have in common?

Not much, except when it comes to paying for health care in the United States. They all pay the highest price: up to 500% more than the hospital receives from insured patients. That's because hospitals negotiate discounts with big institutions like insurance companies, HMOs or the government that require payment of only a fraction of the listed charges. Those institutions have substantial bargaining power and can guarantee hospitals a certain number of patients. Uninsured people, on the other hand, have no bargaining power and are left to fend for themselves once they get their bills.

Jennifer Kankiewicz was rushed to New York's Beth Israel Hospital in July 2002 for an emergency appendectomy and was hospitalized for two days. "I waited through a day's worth of not being able to get out of bed because I didn't have health insurance," recalls Kankiewicz. "The next day, a friend drove me to the hospital in an emergency and we went to the closest hospital we knew of." Kankiewicz had an emergency appendectomy. "They provided great service," she says. The hospital "reassured me that I could apply for Medicaid assistance. So I thought, maybe Medicaid would help me with the $24,000 that it cost me." Though Kankiewicz is poor, she was not poor enough. She was denied Medicaid assistance because she makes $19,000 a year. In order to qualify for Medicaid, Kankiewicz either needed to be pregnant, disabled or earn less than $350 a month. Though she was able to convince her surgeon to slightly reduce the charges, she still faces over $19,000 in hospital bills, more than her annual salary. She says she is being billed by six separate billing groups and, unlike the big insurance companies; Kankiewicz has no negotiating power with the hospital or its collection agencies.

"It's like sending a guppy out to the sharks," says Elisabeth Benjamin, the supervising attorney of the Health Law Unit at the Legal Aid Society in New York. "It's just not fair." Several states operate a funding pool for hospitals to offset the money they spend on charity care as well as bad debt. In New York, these funds total almost $1 billion a year.

Benjamin is the author of a new Legal Aid report called "State Secret: How Government Fails To Ensure That Uninsured And Underinsured Patients Have Access To State Charity Funds." The report alleges that none of the 22 hospitals surveyed in New York City have a process that would let poor or uninsured patients apply for the hundreds of millions of dollars in state government funds intended to help pay for hospital care for the needy, despite the fact that they are all receiving between $4-$60 million annually in charity care funds from the state. As a result, patients who are uninsured and have limited financial resources are forced to pay inflated prices for their care. "An average consumer that might want to call a hospital and find out what the charity care policy is, forget it," says Benjamin. "What we found was at all 22 [hospitals], no one had a way to actually get the state money applied to your case."

In Kankiewicz's case, according to Benjamin, Beth Israel receives $28 million a year for charity or bad debt cases. But rather than establishing a process to inform patients about applying for this money, Beth Israel made Kankiewicz go through the process of applying for Medicaid. "I could have told Jennifer in 30 seconds, she wasn't going to be eligible for Medicaid," says Benjamin. "For her to have gone to a fair hearing [on Medicaid eligibility] on her own was a waste of time." Kankiewicz says that when she initially spoke to the collections department at Beth Israel, they asked her why she chose the most expensive hospital if she was uninsured. "Honestly, I didn't understand that I was a consumer, that I had to shop," Kankiewicz says. "I wasn't making a decision at the time. I rushed to the hospital that I knew where it was." Like Kankiewicz, many uninsured patients end up with huge medical bills and no way of paying them. Hospitals then hound them for payment using collection agencies and lawyers, who employ such methods as filing lawsuits, slapping liens on homes, seizing bank accounts and garnishing wages to extract payments.

Some hospitals now rank among America's most aggressive debt collectors. "[Patients] don't know they have been sued because the collection attorneys and the collection agent hired by the hospitals are voracious," says Benjamin. "They claim to serve people, but in fact they have never served anybody with court papers. The next thing my clients know, their bank accounts have been taken."

But for some people, it can get worse than that. A Return to Debtors Prisons Hospitals in several states have actually had patients arrested and jailed if they are unable to pay their debts. This legal tactic is chillingly known as body attachment. "Body attachment is basically a warrant for arrest," says Claudia Lennhoff, executive director of Champaign County Health Care Consumers in Illinois. She says that if a patient misses a court date, that they may not even know they have, the attorneys for the hospitals or collection agencies can ask the judge to issue a warrant for the patient's arrest. "They can go out immediately and find that person or it can just kind of be out there and then if the person gets pulled over, for example, for having a taillight out or speeding or something, it pops up, and then shows a warrant for arrest and the person gets brought in, and then they get incarcerated," says Lennhoff. Take the case of Jim Bean, a musician in Urbana, Illinois. More than a decade ago, he received treatment at the Carle Foundation Hospital, the primary teaching hospital of the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, for a gunshot wound after a failed suicide attempt. He attended 13 court dates to answer to his $7,718 hospital bill. But then Bean missed a hearing, which he says he did not know was scheduled. The hospital asked the court for an arrest warrant. "They put out this body attachment that I found out about the next day. I went and turned myself in," recalls Bean. "I went to find out what was going on, and they told me to go across the street to the county sheriff's office where I turned myself in. I was jailed, and I was put into general population at the satellite facility here until my brother could come up with 10% of $3,500 to bail me out of jail." Bean says the next time he went to court, the attorneys for Carle Hospital asked that Bean's bail money be applied toward his debt to the hospital. The judge approved the request. "It was just a really quick way for them to collect $350," he says. "I had no say in that."

In an interview with Democracy Now!, Robert Tonkinson, chief financial officer for Carle Foundation Hospital, said the hospital would not end its practice of having patients arrested.

"We are exercising more review, and more care and more direction over that practice," says Tonkinson. But he says, "The reason we're not willing to say that we'll never, never use that practice again is because we do feel a very strong obligation to be a good steward of the resources we have." He adds that sometimes having people arrested is "the only option left in order to get the information we need to see if these people qualify for our charity programs or in assistance in other ways is to pursue that process."

Bean has been dealing with his debt to Carle Hospital for more than 12 years. He says he has made payments totaling $1,340. "When I started making those payments, my bill was $7,718.23," he says. "My bill today is $10,620.46. None of the money that I have paid has been applied to the debt whatsoever, it's all in interest charges."

Legal Aid's Benjamin says that Bean's case is part of a national trend. "In New York State, for example, the collection agents charge 9% interest," she says. "So, even though the federal interest rate is 1%, and most people can get mortgages for 6%, the hospital industry is charging 9%, at least, on average."

Lennhoff of the Champaign County Health Care Consumers says that practices like arresting people who can't afford to pay the exorbitant costs of health could have far reaching implications. "It creates a bad dynamic in our community, where people become very afraid of getting healthcare because they fear that they will be jailed if they cannot pay the bill," she says. "They are treated as a criminals and that's outrageous." Democracy Now! is a daily national radio/TV newshour. Amy Goodman, Jeremy Scahill, Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Mike Burke compiled this report.

Originally posted by mattsmom81

........But then again, I do not believe healthcare is a 'right', I believe it is a privilege. I know many here disagree with that notion.

Wow, yeah, I disagree. I would like to know how exactly one would "earn" that privilege? Really, seriously, explain this to me.

Maybe pts could donate a kidney during their stay and that would give them credits on their account. Hope it never comes to this!!!!!!!

Originally posted by LisaRN2B

Wow, yeah, I disagree. I would like to know how exactly one would "earn" that privilege? Really, seriously, explain this to me.

I don't believe that we have the right to demand healthcare of our wish with no personal responsibility. As I mentioned, county hospitals exist to care for indigent, uninsured, etc. I do not believe people have the 'right' to demand other services at other facilities just because they 'want' to. The government has set up a huge system paid for by my and your tax dollars. Let them use it. JMHO. No bashing please. I am far from liberal minded, this is my own personal opinion and I do have a right to it, I believe. :cool:

Ever had problems with the hospital YOU work at?

I did. My Nurse Practitioner order a CHX after I had c/o congestion and cough for over a week. Simple enough, right?

Went to the hospital, had it done. They took my insurance infromation and I expected that to be it.

About two months later I got a bill for $25. Susposed to be a co-pay for X-Ray services. I said OK, wrote them a check and put it in the mail.

The next month I receive the same bill, however they now state the account is 30 days past due. I called them, they said it was an oversight, and not to worry.

About six months after this, I get a call from the billing office at my hospital, informing me that if I did not pay my bill they were going to suspsend my hospital privilages and charge it off on my credit report. :devil: :devil: :devil:

Two hours of SCREAMING at the billing clerk, then the billing supervisor, THEN having the hospital administrator come down... The matter was resolved.

I can happily say I've never gotten another bill.

Dave

Specializes in Critical Care, ER.
Originally posted by mattsmom81

As I mentioned, county hospitals exist to care for indigent, uninsured, etc. I do not believe people have the 'right' to demand other services at other facilities just because they 'want' to. The government has set up a huge system paid for by my and your tax dollars. Let them use it. JMHO. No bashing please. I am far from liberal minded, this is my own personal opinion and I do have a right to it, I believe. :cool:

A. EMS is required by law to take the patient to the first due hospital which is the one that is closest.

B. My experience is that there are just as many insured patients who are drug seeking and/or demanding as uninsured patients. Maybe they are a little more subtle and less obvious.

C. I am not exactly sure what you are referring to a "huge system paid for by my and your tax dollars". There are no "public" Emergency rooms near where I live, for sure.

Even with insurance it is expensive to get care. Sometimes I feel like the under-insured with all the co-pays that I have. What really stinks...my husband works for an international company and the benifits seem to be getting worse each year.

As far as the hospitals getting my money.... I absolutly refuse to pay in full or make huge monthly payments to them. Luckly my hosp is pretty good about this. I have had my share of letter and phone calls to the billing dept. What I'd like to know is what really goes on in these depts??? Everyone you talk to has had a messed up bill at one point in time from the billing depts

Originally posted by mattsmom81

I don't believe that we have the right to demand healthcare of our wish with no personal responsibility. As I mentioned, county hospitals exist to care for indigent, uninsured, etc. I do not believe people have the 'right' to demand other services at other facilities just because they 'want' to. The government has set up a huge system paid for by my and your tax dollars. Let them use it. JMHO. No bashing please. I am far from liberal minded, this is my own personal opinion and I do have a right to it, I believe. :cool:

Not going to bash you at all. I was serious when I said, "Explain it to me." I understand your point of view now. I do disagree to a certain extent, but as you said, we are both entitled to an opinion. Thank you for your reply! ;)

The Preamble to the US Constitution does not allegate a RIGHT to healthcare. It does not even allow you the RIGHT to be happy. It allows you to pursue happiness, but does not guarantee it. We are SO spoiled in this day. The truly poor of yester-year waited in line for the soup kitchens during a depression. Now, we CRY about a recession, while we wait in line for latte's. That is no stretch of the imagination. They interviewed people on John Stossels report on ABC news. He talked with the "self-proclaimed" poor waiting in line for free food. Most had apartments, microwave ovens, and cable TV. Let's compare the USA's standard of poor and disfranchised to that of the sub-saharan African poor or the USA's poor during the depression. Give me a break. The only people who should have access to healthcare are those who cannot WORK and provide their own, such as person with REAL disabilities that are not SELF inflicted, and the elderly who have not been able to save for their retirement. Period:

This seminar had three speakers and presentations. Jim Frouge is Task Force Director of the American Legislative Exchange Council and his presentation was titled, "The Future of Medicaid: Consumer Directed Care". Another speaker was Commissioner Penny Steele, Board of Hennepin County Commissioners and her presentation was called, "Making a Case for Patient Incentives in Health Care". The final presenter was Greg Scandlen with the Center for Consumer Directed Health Care, Galen Institute and his presentation was titled, "Consumer Driven Health Care: New Tools for Minnesota". There was a question and answer session afterwards. This seminar was very relevant to public health and to the discussion of the future of health care in Minnesota and the United States.

Reflection:

I attended this seminar because I want to be more informed about the future of healthcare. I am constantly bombarded through my work, my peers, my union, and my education with the positive aspect of universal, government run, national healthcare system. However, in four years of Minnesota Nurses Association representation, and six years of public college nursing education I never hear an alternative presented to universal health care. I have yet to understand why.

For instance, the book for our community health class highly promotes universal healthcare. The notion of universal healthcare should be a point of discussion and dissention, not one of universal acceptance without question. I also noticed that our book rewrites the preamble for the Constitution of the United States of America. The original text of the Preamble to the Constitution reads as follows, according to the United States Senate website "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" (US Senate 2003). Comprehensive Community Health Nursing states, "the federal government bases its involvement in matters of health and welfare on the Preamble to the Constitution, which charges it with providing for the general welfare of the people" (Clemon-Stone, S., McGuire, S., & Eigsti, D., 2002, p. 86). We are to clearly provide for the common defense, and promote the general welfare. There is a big definitional difference between promoting and providing. Even our book reports that, "half of all U.S. mortality was caused by unhealthful behavior" (Clemon-Stone, S., et. al., 2002, p. 86). What responsibility does the general taxpayer have to the person who chose unhealthful behaviors?

I think of promotion of the general welfare of the people as educating and promoting healthy lifestyles. I think of providing for the general welfare as being financially responsible for the general welfare of the people. Medicaid is an example of providing for the general welfare of the people. I learned at this presentation that Medicaid spending is up to $275 billion, yet access for Medicaid recipients to medical care has gone down. Physicians and clinics are unwilling to accept Medicaid recipients so their access to quality care decreases. There are also very few dentists that will accept recipients on Medicaid.

I do not have a Master's degree in public health. I do not have a PhD of anything. I am not rich. And, I do not consider myself poor, although others might. I just know that I want to learn more about options for healthcare in our future. I believe that Medicaid or a certain form of insurance assistance needs to exist for the vulnerable. I also believe in public health. However, when we look at how public health is funded we need to be fiscally responsible to the taxpayers as well. I always listen to people say that the "state" paid for that. The state is you and I. The state is our payroll tax, property tax, and sales tax. The state is a wife and husband and three children paying 30% of their earned income to payroll taxes to the "state" to provide all the services that are available. For instance, the widow on a fixed income paying $300.00 more per year in property taxes to allow high school hockey to have lower student fees (which just happened recently in South St. Paul). We cannot take the people that finance our programs for granted.

Sometimes I wonder how compatible the field of nursing and the field of public health are with a person that considers him or herself a conservative person or a Republican. It is unfortunate that nursing does not embrace more than one political perspective and allow for alternate opinions, especially for a group that advocates nonjudgmental/unconditional acceptance of people different from self, as a fundamental of its' practice.

References:

Citizens' Council on Health Care. (2003). Retrieved November 14, 2003 from,

http://www.cchconline.org/aboutus.php3

US Senate Governmental Website (2003). Retrieved November 5 from,

http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm#preamble

Clemon-Stone, S., McGuire, S., & Eigsti, D (2002). Comprehensive Community Health

Nursing: Family, Aggregate, & Community Practice 6th Edition

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" (US Senate 2003).

You do not have a legal right to take my earned income and give it to somebody else who has made decisions that puts them in the place that they are.

Originally posted by bluesky

A. EMS is required by law to take the patient to the first due hospital which is the one that is closest.

B. My experience is that there are just as many insured patients who are drug seeking and/or demanding as uninsured patients. Maybe they are a little more subtle and less obvious.

C. I am not exactly sure what you are referring to a "huge system paid for by my and your tax dollars". There are no "public" Emergency rooms near where I live, for sure.

A) Yes, and our obligation should be to stabilize then transfer.

B) Yes of course but my comment did not involve addicts specifically, but was a general comment regarding users of society. Not trying to get into whether the paying addicts are worthier.

C) My comment was from my perspective where I stated we DO have 2 large county facilities. The people who demand treatment at my community hospital are using the system for their own purposes and choosing NOT to go there.We get a lot of it. And I believe we should have the right to turn them away if it is nomergent.

Again...no flaming please. You have the right to your opinion as do I.:cool:

Originally posted by kitkat24

The Preamble to the US Constitution does not allegate a RIGHT to healthcare. It does not even allow you the RIGHT to be happy. It allows you to pursue happiness, but does not guarantee it....

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" (US Senate 2003).

KitKat, you quoted the preamble, and the enumerated rights that are provided in the constitution but the fountainhead of our rights is really in the ninth admendment of the bill of rights...

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

It is here where we are able to secure the unenumerated rights guarenteed to us if we wish to persue them. It is here where we can find the right to

  • gun ownership ( The second if you read it is about a well regulated militia)
  • privacy
  • abortion rights
  • medical marijuana
  • the right to marry
  • the right to unionize

Historically, since we secured our liberty in the revolution, our fight is to secure our rights.

If you want to give politicians and lawyers nightmares, just say "Ninth Admendment."

Joe Hill

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