Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right? - page 20

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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED

    I grew up on handouts (as did my parents) THE WAY I GREW UP IS WHY I KNOW WHAT I KNOW!!!!!!!!
    So, you grew up on handouts and that is why you're so informed about how terrible they are.

    YOU were fed, clothed, and had your healthcare bill taken care of via handouts by your own admission. Don't you think that helped you be the person you are today? What if you didn't get to go to the doctor when you were sick because there were no handouts as you call them? What if you went to bed hungry because there were no evil handouts? Do you think you'd be where you are now?

    It just amazes me that someone who took advantage of handouts (even if you didn't sign up for them, you grew up thanks to them) can accept the help and judge others for doing the same thing.

    The fact that you didn't go to bed hungry or sleep in the street thanks to "handouts" is exactly the reason it's even more baffling that you have a problem with other people having the same benefit.

    Not to mention....you said you weren't raised by your biological mother. So, apparently the mother who raised you was the one who got handouts to take care of you. People do what they have to do to get by. Some people dump off their kids and never look back. Some people plan on having their children when they can afford them (ideally), and then some people step up to clean up other people's messes and need help to be able to do that. Apparently your mother "did what she had to do" to make sure you were fed, and doing what she had to do included accepting handouts apparently.
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    And here we go again...


    Quote from Ntheboat2
    So, you grew up on handouts and that is why you're so informed about how terrible they are.

    YES


    YOU were fed, clothed, and had your healthcare bill taken care of via handouts by your own admission. Don't you think that helped you be the person you are today?

    YES.

    What if you didn't get to go to the doctor when you were sick because there were no handouts as you call them?

    I'd have been screwed due to my parents lack of drive and laziness. But it was my parents responsibility, not the taxpayers, and my parents should have paid the bills. But because they had no drive and chose to milk the system they didn't. I still stand by the opinion that it wasn't right.

    What if you went to bed hungry because there were no evil handouts? Do you think you'd be where you are now?

    I went to bed hungry MANY times! And I like to believe that I would be far better off today than I am now if I had more responsible parents to guide me and set an example instead of them being reliant upon the "kindness of strangers." Well, to be fair, my dad worked his @$$ off, but it was off the books so he didn't pay taxes for the most part.


    It just amazes me that someone who took advantage of handouts (even if you didn't sign up for them, you grew up thanks to them) can accept the help and judge others for doing the same thing.

    As you said, I didn't sign up for them and didn't have a choice. I didn't get to 'Accept" anything. But when I was 15 I moved out and supported myself.


    The fact that you didn't go to bed hungry or sleep in the street thanks to "handouts" is exactly the reason it's even more baffling that you have a problem with other people having the same benefit.

    I have a problem with people living on nothing but them (for like the fifth time that I said this now) and not trying to better themselves in the mean time.

    Not to mention....you said you weren't raised by your biological mother. So, apparently the mother who raised you was the one who got handouts to take care of you.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with anything...


    People do what they have to do to get by. Some people dump off their kids and never look back. Some people plan on having their children when they can afford them (ideally), and then some people step up to clean up other people's messes and need help to be able to do that. Apparently your mother "did what she had to do" to make sure you were fed, and doing what she had to do included accepting handouts apparently. She didn't "Do what she had to do," because she hasn't worked a day in MY entire life. She took the path of least resistance. She took the easy way out plain and simple. Doesn't mean I didn't care about her or love her, but it does mean that she was an unnecessary burden on society (I say UNNECESSARY because she was fully capable of working but chose not to [along with the rest of the neighborhoods I grew up in])
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Dec 14, '12
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    And here we go again...
    Since when is taking on the job of raising a kid that's not yours choosing the path of least resistance? Anyone who has actually raised a child (biological at that) knows it's not an easy one.

    You sound like one of those right wing loons who preach "pro life" propaganda and then don't consider anything that happens once the fetus is no longer a fetus. There are very few people who would take on the job of raising a child and even fewer who would do it or could afford to do it with no financial help.

    She may have "chose" not to work, but it sounds like she "chose" not to have a child either, but is still criticized for taking "handouts" to care for the child. Apparently, not only should people who have children they can't afford not be able to get assistance, but the people who step up and take care of unwanted children shouldn't either.

    That would explain why so many of the pro-life advocates have homes full of children they fight to keep alive!
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    Since when is taking on the job of raising a kid that's not yours choosing the path of least resistance? Anyone who has actually raised a child (biological at that) knows it's not an easy one.

    Look, it's not like I want to vilify my mother, but when looked at objectively she really didn't raise me so much as let me stick around. I mean I pretty much did what was expected of me, so very little teaching was necessary on her part. I never needed help with homework. I never got any real encouragement other than the cop out statement "You can be anything you want to be, Jaime." Really, she didn't put much effort into me, not to say she wouldn't have, but it was never necessary. And by me saying "She chose the path of least resistance," I was referring to her not actually fulfilling her responsibility to raise the child she took in because she relied on the state to do it. So if anything having me benefitted her as she may not have qualified for the handouts for as long as she did if I wasn't there to begin with.

    You sound like one of those right wing loons who preach "pro life" propaganda and then don't consider anything that happens once the fetus is no longer a fetus. There are very few people who would take on the job of raising a child and even fewer who would do it or could afford to do it with no financial help.

    I'm not right wing. But I will never be ok with killing a child. Ever. Especially for no reason other than because the child will too much of an inconvenience to its parents. Because THAT (the inconvenience) is what it's really about. And I make no apologies for thinking that way.

    She may have "chose" not to work, but it sounds like she "chose" not to have a child either, but is still criticized for taking "handouts" to care for the child. Apparently, not only should people who have children they can't afford not be able to get assistance, but the people who step up and take care of unwanted children shouldn't either.

    How many times are you going to overlook the fact that I've said (I don't know how many times at this point) that I am not against helping anyone who is also trying to help themselves? In my mother's case, she was not trying to help herself so "NO," I do not believe she deserved the assistance she was receiving. Unfortunately there are millions of others who are abusing the system just like she did.

    That would explain why so many of the pro-life advocates have homes full of children they fight to keep alive!

    So to qualify as being "Pro-life" in your eyes, I have to have a house full of children? It's not enough to raise the ones I chose (Never planned on but still had) to have?
    Soooo.....

    I addressed every point in your last post and you come back with this crap... I expect better, Ntheboat2. I expect more from you

    (Damn, I really wish I knew how to use other emoticons than the smiley and winking smiley. Would've been a nice cherry on top of this response...)
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    Soooo.....

    I addressed every point in your last post and you come back with this crap... I expect better, Ntheboat2. I expect more from you

    (Damn, I really wish I knew how to use other emoticons than the smiley and winking smiley. Would've been a nice cherry on top of this response...)
    Is there some point in particular or question I didn't address?
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    Ever citizen should have basic health care. Taxes are paying for it now, when people without health care go to the emergency room for minor illness. The U.S. spends more on health care than any other industrialized country with poorer outcomes. Please check out these webpage:

    https://www.facebook.com/doctorsforsinglepayer

    PNHP Research: The Case for a National Health Program | Physicians for a National Health Program

    Private insurer bureaucracy consumes almost a third (31%) of the nation's health care dollar per PNHP.
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    Is there some point in particular or question I didn't address?
    I just meant that after I answered your previous post in detail, what you came back with was basically "Well you were on it, why shouldn't everyone else get to be on it too?" It's like you're saying that since once upon a time (through the choice of my parents btw, not my own choice) I received assistance I do not get to have an opinion on the issue, unless of course my opinion is that everyone should get it without restrictions.
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Dec 16, '12
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    Quote from trufflelilyRN
    Ever citizen should have basic health care. Taxes are paying for it now, when people without health care go to the emergency room for minor illness. The U.S. spends more on health care than any other industrialized country with poorer outcomes. Please check out these webpage:

    https://www.facebook.com/doctorsforsinglepayer

    PNHP Research: The Case for a National Health Program | Physicians for a National Health Program

    Private insurer bureaucracy consumes almost a third (31%) of the nation's health care dollar per PNHP.
    This is why the government should force those who visit the emergency room to pay their own bill. Over a payment plan that is stretched out however long it takes. HOWEVER. LONG. IT. TAKES!

    If they should become unable to make their payments through ONLY death or disability then and only then the government should pick up the tab, and only because the government mandated that the ER cannot turn people away (Though I am NOT saying that the ER should turn them away. Please do not make that misinterpretation).
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    Just one comment. If we aren't willing to pay for even basic public education for helpless children, how do we expect them to be able to get jobs that pay well enough for them to be self sustaining when they are adults? Does anyone really think that an illiterate adult without even an 5th grade education will be able to get a job with healthcare benefits? They won't even qualify for a job mopping floors at McDonalds.

    Really people. It's so easy to tell people to pull themselves up by their boot straps. A lot of people were born without boots!!! Some of the ones who have boots have people standing on them.

    Not everyone is born with the intellectual skill or social grace to be a "success" in the US, ie making more than 15,000 a year. Not everyone has the emotional maturity to know about responsible birth control practices because they were never taught it!!

    I'm really disgusted by this whole thread. I find some nurses becoming the most entitled, selfish, judgmental group of so called professionals. It really makes me lose my faith in this profession and in humanity. Don't forget for one minute that we are making our living by easy people's suffering!!! Some people may not be tasteful by your upper middle class college educated standards, but they are still human beings worthy of compassion and respect.

    But sure, go ahead and let them suffer because they are uneducated, freeloading losers who can't afford healthcare. Judge them because poverty is all many of them have ever known and many have no good role models and see no hope of escape. I'd love to see the view from your bright shiny ivory towers.
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    How are you going to MAKE someone pay their emergency room bill when they can't afford an office visit (even if someone would see them), they have no education, and they are unemployed or unemployable? We are failing at public education and our young people come out of school--or drop out of school--unable to get a job that will support them. The blue collar jobs that were once the back bone of the country have to a large part been lost as manufacturing was outsourced to other countries.

    People who are employed pay taxes, and that is what makes the country strong. When people have to make the choice between food/shelter and health care, they will go without healthcare.

    A nation is only as strong as it's weakest segment of the population. In the current scenario, those of us who are lucky enough to have good paying jobs will never be able to provide for the widening segment of the population who is falling into poverty. In the U.S., we are increasingly being polarized into a small segment of rich and and a growing segment of poor.

    I have no answers, only concerns. I sincerely believe the HMOs and private insurers should be taken out of the equation. They are draining off almost a third of our health care dollars for administration and profits. Medicare should be expanded to provide basic health care for all. People can then purchase supplemental insurance--just as Medicare recipients do now--if they want more complete coverage.
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