Robert Wood Johnson Univ Hospital Nurses to Strike - page 17

Registered nurses start strike August 24, 2006 at 7am at Robert Wood Johnson Univeristy Hospital in New Brunswick, NJ Nurses reject contract proposal Home News Tribune Online 08/17/06 By DAVID... Read More

  1. by   mekrn
    Quote from mrsmitty
    I have heard enough recollections of conversations to know that this would likely be discussed. I think it is normal and I wouldn't be insuslted.

    By the way, regarding unemployment compensation, the state will award this. Whether you get to keep it, or have to pay if back, is dependent on a finding of unfair labor practices. That will not likely be the case in this situation. Please do not count on keeping your unemployment.
    First of all, I have not seen anyone use vulgarity on this site, and that one reason why I like it. Secondly, when people have to start insulting others, such as "you're not too bright", its because they can't think of anything more intelligent to say.

    Additionally, this may come as a shock to you, but NOT EVERYONE is so desperate after being without 1 1/2 paychecks that they need unemployment to sustain themselves or go running back with their tail between their legs.
  2. by   clcrtrn
    Quote from solidaritynurse
    Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, but then say it is YOUR opinion. If you are not on the negotiating committee your statement that the committee "feels beaten" and "are hoping we vote for the contract" are out of line.

    By the way, I, like you am fed up with the games, I am insulted by the presentation of the SAME contract, and I will be voting no tomorrow.:wink2:
    I believe that was the purpose of my second post in response to yours. I saw the possibly confusing nature of my first post and replied that it was just that-my opinion. However, I did start the first by saying "I think..."
    certainly that should imply that an opinion would follow.

    I would like to clarify my statement, however. I dont think (opinion) they feel beaten, rather, I think (opinion) they feel they have gotten as much out of the hospital that they could at this juncture. A no vote would put more people in finacial difficulties and more apt to cross the line breaking the union. Beaten was an inaccurate word choice.
  3. by   proud2banurse
    HOORAY!!!
    Now you're thinking!!!!
  4. by   mekrn
    Quote from clcrtrn
    I believe that was the purpose of my second post in response to yours. I saw the possibly confusing nature of my first post and replied that it was just that-my opinion. However, I did start the first by saying "I think..."
    certainly that should imply that an opinion would follow.

    I would like to clarify my statement, however. I dont think (opinion) they feel beaten, rather, I think (opinion) they feel they have gotten as much out of the hospital that they could at this juncture. A no vote would put more people in finacial difficulties and more apt to cross the line breaking the union. Beaten was an inaccurate word choice.
    Just wondering, are you still planning to reject the contract as you stated earlier, or have you changed your mind?
  5. by   tridil2000
    Quote from solidaritynurse
    First of all, I have not seen anyone use vulgarity on this site, and that one reason why I like it. Secondly, when people have to start insulting others, such as "you're not too bright", its because they can't think of anything more intelligent to say.

    Additionally, this may come as a shock to you, but NOT EVERYONE is so desperate after being without 1 1/2 paychecks that they need unemployment to sustain themselves or go running back with their tail between their legs.
    yep!
    we too have financial advisors who make sure we have a few months worth of liqued savings as well as access to our other forms of savings!
    nurses are not ignorant to financial savy!
  6. by   ironica01
    Quote from tridil2000
    yep!
    we too have financial advisors who make sure we have a few months worth of liqued savings as well as access to our other forms of savings!
    nurses are not ignorant to financial savy!
    I agree. I have a few months contingency plan just in case this strike goes a long time.
    I just cannot imagine how angry the Filipino nurses were when they heard the VP of Nursing said '" maybe they did not understand the proposal that's why they went to strike"... and 100% of them went to the picket line. little did she know that these nurses whom she underestimated will not get affected when they lose one paycheck during the strike. I dont know any Filipino with only one job. I heard they are voting this proposal down.
  7. by   ironica01
    I spoke to one of the Head nurses last night and told me that they would rather have us inside than the scab nurses cuz they are tired of showing them all the ropes on the floor all the time. once we voted this proposal in today, they expect us to go back on Thursday as the scab nurses' contracts are due to expire that day.
  8. by   proud2banurse
    I know many Filipinos with only one job, one of the is my own sister-in-law, so don't be so stereotypical as to make comments about one nationality.

    The head nurses are not all as tired as you think of the scab nurses. I have heard on many occasions that the head nurses have been treating the scabs to food and little parties. Perhaps the ones you are talking about are tired of doing bedside nursing?

    While it is true that most nurses do have contingency plans as to being able to stay out of work for a while, why would we want to?

    If you are dipping into your savings, that money should have been set aside for real emergencies, not for something like a strike.

    If you are working elsewhere, kuddos to you, but you are probably not making as much money as you could have at RWJ, or do not have the ease of working at your permanent job.

    Whatever the outcome, hopefully things will work out for everyone.

    I always enjoyed working at RWJ mostly because I felt that the nurses were of superior quality, extremely professional and well educated in their field, besides being friendly and caring. Saying that, I do feel that the RWJ nurses need to be more educated in negotiating and knowing the ins and outs of their union contract. The health insurance was not always this bad, it never should have gotten to this point had the nurses stayed on top of their benefits.

    If a change to the healthcare system was made during an existing contract, that was the time that the nurses should have brought this problem to the union and and did something about it then. The union contract as written is obviously not "iron bound" if the healthcare was able to be changed from Cigna to Aetna without reprocussions.

    If this change was done during the start of the last contract, how did that get by?

    What I am trying to say is that all of what the nurses need in as far as health benefits must be spelled out in writing in the union contract. My last copy of the union contract says nothing about this. That is why as a RWJ nurse who does not use their health insurance, I know nothing about it.

    IF the contract included all of the details AND we received a copy of this contract, all nurses would know what is going on. Especially with a system like RWJ's there should be no union rules and hospital rules, nothing that is not spelled out in the union contract. This is our protection if we were to need union representation in arbitration.

    Just a thought.
  9. by   ironica01
    Quote from proud2banurse
    I know many Filipinos with only one job, one of the is my own sister-in-law, so don't be so stereotypical as to make comments about one nationality.

    The head nurses are not all as tired as you think of the scab nurses. I have heard on many occasions that the head nurses have been treating the scabs to food and little parties. Perhaps the ones you are talking about are tired of doing bedside nursing?

    While it is true that most nurses do have contingency plans as to being able to stay out of work for a while, why would we want to?

    If you are dipping into your savings, that money should have been set aside for real emergencies, not for something like a strike.

    If you are working elsewhere, kuddos to you, but you are probably not making as much money as you could have at RWJ, or do not have the ease of working at your permanent job.

    Whatever the outcome, hopefully things will work out for everyone.

    I always enjoyed working at RWJ mostly because I felt that the nurses were of superior quality, extremely professional and well educated in their field, besides being friendly and caring. Saying that, I do feel that the RWJ nurses need to be more educated in negotiating and knowing the ins and outs of their union contract. The health insurance was not always this bad, it never should have gotten to this point had the nurses stayed on top of their benefits.

    If a change to the healthcare system was made during an existing contract, that was the time that the nurses should have brought this problem to the union and and did something about it then. The union contract as written is obviously not "iron bound" if the healthcare was able to be changed from Cigna to Aetna without reprocussions.

    If this change was done during the start of the last contract, how did that get by?

    What I am trying to say is that all of what the nurses need in as far as health benefits must be spelled out in writing in the union contract. My last copy of the union contract says nothing about this. That is why as a RWJ nurse who does not use their health insurance, I know nothing about it.

    IF the contract included all of the details AND we received a copy of this contract, all nurses would know what is going on. Especially with a system like RWJ's there should be no union rules and hospital rules, nothing that is not spelled out in the union contract. This is our protection if we were to need union representation in arbitration.

    Just a thought.
    I was not making a comment or stereotyping one nationality, what I was trying to stress is that the VP for nursing put down these Filipino nurses by saying, the contract was written in English and they probably did not understand it that's why they are on strike. this comment was reported to the union membership.
    I consider this strike as emergency and I'm not working another job. I've been at the picket line since day one.
    Cigna was dropped by the hospital a week before the employees renewed their policy 2 years ago. Remember, we have to fill up new/renewal forms every January and that's when they offered Qualcare and Aetna.The nurses did not have a choice but to take either one because that's whats' on the table. We didn't have an issue about this healthcare until people who started utilizing it found the loopholes and problems.
  10. by   proud2banurse
    Thank you for the info. about Cigna. At that time the union should have gotten involved and given a strike vote for breach of the union contract as agreed upon. They should have gone to the press then and put the hospital up against the wall.
  11. by   ironica01
    Quote from proud2banurse
    Thank you for the info. about Cigna. At that time the union should have gotten involved and given a strike vote for breach of the union contract as agreed upon. They should have gone to the press then and put the hospital up against the wall.
    yeah but that union is gone now. that's what USW replaced.
  12. by   tridil2000
    sooooo.... what was the vote today rwj nurses???
  13. by   RNinNJ
    769 yes, 117 no, 3 undecided, the strike is over!

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