Massive RN Layoffs

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For the last month or so I have been reading many news stories of Nurses being layed off from hospitals across the country. Along with layoffs many hospitals are doing hiring freezes. I remember back in the 1990's when Hillary care came about, many hospitals did hiring freezes, even if a nurse quit they were not replaceing the nurses.

The scope of whats going on today is 10 fold worse than the 1990's. Hospitals are laying off nurses by the hundreds each and every day. Some hospitals are firing nurses on the slightest infraction.

The difference of the 1990's and today is that the economy is so bad many people have lost their jobs. No jobs, no health insurance, less admissions, less census. To add more pain to the situation many hospitals are claiming the decrease in medicare funds in payment from state governments, which leads to layoffs.

I remember back in the 1990's a friend of mine went to school for IT, after all, companies were taking students who didnt even finish the school because they needed people so bad. My poor friend started the school to late the dot com bubble came and he couldnt find a job in IT any where in the country! He went back to his faithful job as a RN only to be layed off. After 300 applications sent around the country he still hasnt found a job in med surg. Hospitals will not start to re-hire until the economy picks up and the unemployment goes below 8%. For people looking for a career in nursing dont think that nursing is a recession proof job, it isnt. Most new students who graduater cant even find a job, you may be better off going into therapy, OT jobs for now.

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I don't see layoffs as a big issue (for now) but I see reduced hiring or outright hiring freezes as the main concern for nurses. We are using agency nurses to fill in gaps because they can be let go easily and actually cost less (when you add in benefits, union issues, etc). Nursing is changing. I think the days of jobs everywhere are over (if not for good, then for a long time before we return to the "good ole days"). I also do not foresee a nursing shortage even when the nurses start to retire. Now that it is well known about the saturated nursing job market, the official line being sold to nursing students and potential nursing students is the line about a "wave a retirements" coming...i.e. there will be jobs for everyone-soon. I do not believe this is the case.

I think this is an opportunity for nursing education to be revamped to reflect the reality of the world. The premise that you go to a college for either a 2 year degree or a 4 year degree to learn nursing theory and fundamentals and then learn nursing on the job (at the employers expense) does not fit the healthcare system. Nurses need to have a formal residency where they work in acute care on a medical surgical floor for a year (5 days a week, 12 hour shifts) to learn the basics and develop the ability to function as a nurse. An intensive residency (obviously unpaid) would give the nurse the skills to get a job in most areas of nursing that she or he wants. Physician must do a minimun of 3 years of 3000-4000 hours a year, pharmacist must do an intensive 3000 hour, one year residency. A normal work year is 1950 hours. Nursing should consider this and not be pushing a BSN as entry level for a nurse. I do feel very sorry for so many new nurses who have come into nursing thinking this as an easy path only to be rudely awaken to what is going on within nursing and within the healthcare industry. As state budgets are cut due to the economy, facilities are going to have to do more with less. I was watching a PBS show on Obama's healthcare bill and what it means for the healthcare industry. One of the speakers did mention the need for 1 million more nurses over the next 10 years only to say that this was not possible due to economic issues and that the work needed would have to be redesigned/parceled out in other more cost effective ways. I would add that I think nurses need a solid class in economics as alot of nurses do not really understand the business of healthcare nor do most nurses understand what role they have in the business or system of healthcare. For the nurses that are experienced and currently working, whatever occurs in healthcare,you should be fine. I have been laid off (twice-both times low seniority) and both times had a new job. As long as you have documented skills and experience, you will survive. The new nurses in school, freshout of school or with a checked employment history should worry. Nursing is getting very picky on who they take. I know of a nursing student who has a significant weight problem being told by her professor she would be the last one hired for a job due to her weight and her appearance. Years ago these issues never came up in nursing but as jobs are sacre, these issues are coming to the forefront. My advice as a nursing director is to get skilled in an area of nursing, get national certification and get along with your co-workers, the doctors and your supervisors. Today's nursing world is way different then even ten years ago. Only GOD knows what nursing will evolve into over the next decade.

This thread is incendiary and should have no place on allnurses.com.I vote that it be removed.

Anyone in agreement?

Specializes in ER, Trauma.

Lots of STAFF layoffs in those citations, very few mentions of NURSES being laid off.

Wait a second.....are some of you implying that Glen Beck may not have his "facts" straight? How can you turn a deaf ear to a man willing to show his sincerity by crying on his show that is on the most "fair and balanced" channel in the world? The sky IS falling. Stock your basements with water, spam, and vienna sausages. I know this because a patient in my ER is friends with a woman who went to high school with one of Pat Robertson children and he said the Bible clearly predicts that Obama will lead an Army of brown homosexuals to overthrow the United States in an effort to gain control of Area 51, where we hide the aliens. Why you ask?......The answer, as we all know, is that....liberals appreciate parades and abortions just a little bit more than freedom and low taxes. For this reason my wife and I have decided to not to give our daughters the Gardisil vaccine or let them watch any movie that does not star Mel Gibson. Oh great, I just realized the CIA is now monitoring me because of this post. If I disappear from allnurses.com ....you know why.

Specializes in pediatrics.
Wait a second.....are some of you implying that Glen Beck may not have his "facts" straight? How can you turn a deaf ear to a man willing to show his sincerity by crying on his show that is on the most "fair and balanced" channel in the world? The sky IS falling. Stock your basements with water, spam, and vienna sausages. I know this because a patient in my ER is friends with a woman who went to high school with one of Pat Roberts children and he said the Bible clearly predicts that Obama will lead an Army of brown homosexuals to overthrow the United States in an effort to gain control of Area 51, where we hide the aliens. Why you ask?......The answer, as we all know, is that....liberals appreciate parades and abortions just a little bit more than freedom and low taxes. For this reason my wife and I have decided to not to give our daughters the Gardisil vaccine or let them watch any movie that does not star Mel Gibson. Oh great, I just realized the CIA is now monitoring me because of this post. If I disappear from allnurses.com ....you know why.

Ha ha ha!! Funny! Was thinking the same - sounds like "Glen Beck math". . .

If in fact there *are* these kinds of nursing layoffs, which I highly doubt, most likely it is due to all the tens of millions of people who have NO INSURANCE, who are pushing off elective procedures or usual and customary exams because they simply cannot afford to do so. Hospitals right now are most likely losing patients because elective patients are concentrating on other things - like feeding their children and paying the mortgage.

This thread is incendiary and should have no place on allnurses.com.I vote that it be removed.

Anyone in agreement?

It may be incindiary but many of the posts are a blast to read.

I vote that we not only keep the thread, but make it a sticky!

Specializes in Mixed Level-1 ICU.

"plusnow we have this to consider: the entire economic argument for justifying obamacare turns out to be fallacious: cbo says repealing obamacare would reduce net spending by $540 billion

bogus and inaccurate statements spun to titillate the right.

Specializes in Mixed Level-1 ICU.

"Bottom line is socialized medicine is a disaster for both patients and healthcare providers"

Give me a break! Go tell that to the Swedes and Finns whose quality care statistics beat those of the USA every time. Socialized medicine is already here. Go ask your mother about her medicare coverage. Single payer health (socialized medicine) scares the hell out of anyone who cares more about profit than health care of people. That's why these people yell "Fire" whenever the little guy starts to question the prevailing system and the fat cats scramble like frightened chickens when Obama tried to get the public option passed.

When the economy finally improves the RN hiring boom will be on once again as RNs retire or jump ship for higher paying and less stressful opportunities such as business, mortgage lending, realty, sales, etc.

Lots of STAFF layoffs in those citations, very few mentions of NURSES being laid off.

They weren't citations, just links from the AllPinkSlips website. The JCL Labor and Delivery link states 99 nurses would likely lose their jobs.

Of El Camino Hospital's 140 laid off, 21 were nurses: http://www.mv-voice.com/news/show_story.php?id=3232

Of Beverly Hospitals 75 persons laid off, no specific nursing numbers but states "Corporate handed out pink slips to personnel ranging from vice presidents to nurses yesterday at the nonprofit organization's three hospitals." http://www.salemnews.com/local/x1912409508/Hospital-sees-another-round-of-staff-layoffs

Of Berkshire Health Systems 124 laid off the article states "Those laid off will include nurses and technicians." Berkshire Health Systems, Cut Jobs, Layoff Employees | EmploymentSpectator | Employment News

I could dig up more but I'm already batting 1000.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

If you go back and read the dire predictions made by organizations such as the ANA and AACN about what was supposed to happen between the years 2000-2008, you will find that they were consistently wrong, and in fact none seemed to have any idea the situation would be as it is right now for all nurses, but mostly for new grads who can't even get their baby toe in the door (with few exceptions).

Yet their predictions have link after link to other "studies" to buttress their position. If you look closely enough at the studies, the journals, and the lobbying organizations you will find more overlapping people than you may be comfortable with.

As to Hillarycare and Dolecare - heck! As far as I know the first president to propose national health care was Harry S. Truman.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/anniversaries/healthprogram.htm

However, in order to stand up to the consistent use of the first name if something is attached to a female politician ie "Hillary" and "Meg", the program should be referred to as Harrycare. No, wait . . .that doesn't sound quite right either. . . . .:)

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