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No. 30
from kcochrane
Old Jun 15, 2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by louisianalvn View Post
Federal Law, the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), trumps state law.

Some of the ways that health care facilities (especially skilled nursing ones) cheat workers
out of their overtime is:

1) Tell you to arrive early for report and THEN clock in.
2) Interrupt your lunch hour - even for a minute - then you are entitled to be paid for the hour
3) Make you attend meetings off the clock
4) Tell you to clock out and finish your charting or other work
5) Tell you to clock out and do the narcotics count
6) Tell you to clock out and wait for your relief.

They always threaten you with the loss of your license if you don't stay.

A group of Texas nurses has filed under the Fair Labor Standards Act to collect their overtime.
Although it talks about LVN's, documentation suggests that Med Aides, CNA's, housekeeping,
and food service will join in to collect their back money

It looks like the suit is expanding nation wide to many skilled nursing facilities.

Read about it here:

www.lvnclaim.com
Our facility tried to do a version of the above. "You will only be paid for the time you are scheduled"..so if you clocked out after your scheduled time due to charting, finishing treatments or waiting to count narcs, you didn't get paid. That lasted for awhile until someone called the labor board. After they had to pay everyone back pay for the hours they actually worked - it wasn't mentioned again. The only way they can control the hours we work in a shift is by preventing us from clocking in before out scheduled time. The time clocks will not work if you are earlier than 7 minutes. And guess what - I don't work until I'm clocked in.
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No. 31
from kcochrane
Old Jun 15, 2009, 11:37 AM

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Oh BTW, I was wondering how patient abandonment works into this? One of our night supervisors states that we will be cited for patient abandonment if we do not agree to be mandated - even after the law takes effect. The problem is that our residents will not be without staff - just short staffed if we refuse. Also, there are a lot of ADONs and other RN staff that could pitch in if needed. To me that isn't true patent abandonment.

Any thoughts?
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No. 32
from *guest*
Old Jul 08, 2009, 10:06 AM
Updated Aug 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM by *guest*

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Interesting...although I am in Augusta, Maine at the moment.
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No. 33
Old Jul 13, 2009, 11:06 PM

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Kcochrane, the way I read the law, they can't cry abandonment unless they can legally mandate you; i.e. emergencies, as outlined in the law. Many of us know, we're in for a fight with our employers over this. I'm already hearing we'll be suspended if we refuse to do OT when mandated. As with many other institutions, mandation has been the method for staffing.

We must report these mandations to the Dept of Labor! (link to download the form is on NYS Dept of Labor's site)
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No. 34
from kcochrane
Old Jul 14, 2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NurseJeanne View Post
Kcochrane, the way I read the law, they can't cry abandonment unless they can legally mandate you; i.e. emergencies, as outlined in the law. Many of us know, we're in for a fight with our employers over this. I'm already hearing we'll be suspended if we refuse to do OT when mandated. As with many other institutions, mandation has been the method for staffing.

We must report these mandations to the Dept of Labor! (link to download the form is on NYS Dept of Labor's site)
Thanks. So far I think we will be ok at work with regard to mandation. They are not allowed to mandate unless they call the DON. By that time, that shift will be already out the door. My supervisor pretty well told me that there will be no mandation.
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No. 35
from PMR1027
Old Aug 17, 2009, 08:54 PM

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In the LTC facility where I work on weekends, they are blatantly circumventing this law. They have a policy in effect that states that the nurse holding the narcotic keys has to stay for the next shift if they were short staffed on that unit (there are 2 nurses to all units on the evening shift, which is 3p to 11p). My shift is 7a to 7p every other Sat/Sun. On Saturday, they did not schedule a nurse from 7pm to 11pm at all- so I was mandadated to stay. On Sunday, they left a nurse that was terminated on the schedule, knowingly, and I was mandated to stay from 7pm to 11pm. I am filling out a department of labor complaint form. They are going around the nursing home like hotcakes. Several nurses are filling these forms out and handing them into the department of labor. They are making no effort at filling the staffing holes, either. We cannot be the only place this is happening at, either.
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No. 36
from lindarn
Old Aug 17, 2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PMR1027 View Post
In the LTC facility where I work on weekends, they are blatantly circumventing this law. They have a policy in effect that states that the nurse holding the narcotic keys has to stay for the next shift if they were short staffed on that unit (there are 2 nurses to all units on the evening shift, which is 3p to 11p). My shift is 7a to 7p every other Sat/Sun. On Saturday, they did not schedule a nurse from 7pm to 11pm at all- so I was mandadated to stay. On Sunday, they left a nurse that was terminated on the schedule, knowingly, and I was mandated to stay from 7pm to 11pm. I am filling out a department of labor complaint form. They are going around the nursing home like hotcakes. Several nurses are filling these forms out and handing them into the department of labor. They are making no effort at filling the staffing holes, either. We cannot be the only place this is happening at, either.
As long as you are all giving in to their games, they will continue to circumvent the law. Just say NO!! Give report to the charge nurse and leave. No one can take advantage of you with out your permission. JMHO and MY NY $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
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No. 37
Old Aug 17, 2009, 09:21 PM
Updated Aug 17, 2009 at 09:24 PM by NurseJeanne

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It's happening where I work too. People have been mandated, and are reporting it (filling out the form) to the Dept of labor. One nurse told me she also called them and they said they will be investigating. Mandating due to the facility's lack of proper staffing and not having a nursing coverage plan in place, will catch up with them. I heard from a supervisor at another facility that the "mandators" are going to be in trouble. What exactly that means, I don't know, but what they're doing at your facility, PMR1027, is definitely a violation of that law. I hope it stops soon!

Make sure everyone reports them, keep those forms available.

I'm wondering how widespread the mandation is since the law took effect, and how long it will take for the DOL to do something about it.

I'll update if I hear anything. PMR1027, please let us know if you hear anything from the DOL after you file the report. We have to fight mandation of nurses for the safety of our patients and ourselves!
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No. 38
from kcochrane
Old Aug 18, 2009, 12:31 AM

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Our facility so far is playing by the rules. I haven't heard how the other facilities in the area are doing with regards to the law.

Keep us posted on how the state handles the violations.
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