Making Room at America's Inn for All God's Children - page 6

Making Room at America's Inn for All God's Children -- Marian Wright Edelman ..."For Christians, another holy advent season is upon us. People of all faiths are reflecting on things done and... Read More

  1. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from mercyteapot
    As for them going "home", if this is where they live, then this is their home, legal or not.

    Uhh..........no. This is not their home, although it could be if they'd enter this country legally and go through the proper channels.

    I grew up in southern California and lived among the Hispanic population for the first 30 years of my life. I've visited Mexico. I speak the language, and I hold Mexican culture in high regard. I know perfectly well why poor Latinos come to America........I've seen the desperate conditions they live in, and I don't blame them for wanting better for their families.

    But I also don't believe in rewarding people for breaking our laws. Right here in Oregon, our governor recently floated a trial balloon about issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants on the premise that it would at least let us know where they are. After what my own kids had to go through to get their state IDs and driver's licenses---they had to provide birth certificates, Social Security cards, proof of residence, as well as at least one photo ID (will someone please tell me how the heck you are supposed to produce photo ID if no one will issue you photo ID without photo ID?)---I was outraged!

    Then Hispanic activist groups had the gall to be upset when the idea sank faster than the Titanic and the governor abandoned it. I'm sorry, but if you come into this country illegally, refuse to go through the process of obtaining the necessary documentation, make a point of NOT learning the dominant language, and then demand special rights..........well, there's something really wrong with that. Most of the Hispanic people I grew up around wouldn't have dreamed of acting this way---they worked hard for everything they had, took pride in their culture, but also were grateful to be Americans. They did their best to learn American customs and language while at the same time remaining true to their own rich heritage. And they didn't ask for handouts.
  2. by   MBANurse
    Quote from mercyteapot
    It sounds to me like you're jumping to conclusions again. You have no way of knowing whether he could work or not. Maybe he had to be picked up because he didn't have a car!
    Actually... if the reason that he had to be picked up was soley that he didnt have a car; I doubt that Jude would have went through the trouble that she went through for him. But you are right... it was a conclusion. I imagine an accurate one at that.

    Jude... I am not advocating the rounding up and deportation of illegals. Just do one of two approaches. Make free care unavailable to them or if it is available to them deport them right after they are stable. And the tax money to send them home will be less than the cost of continued treatment here.
  3. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from mjlrn97
    Uhh..........no. This is not their home, although it could be if they'd enter this country legally and go through the proper channels.

    I grew up in southern California and lived among the Hispanic population for the first 30 years of my life. I've visited Mexico. I speak the language, and I hold Mexican culture in high regard. I know perfectly well why poor Latinos come to America........I've seen the desperate conditions they live in, and I don't blame them for wanting better for their families.

    But I also don't believe in rewarding people for breaking our laws. Right here in Oregon, our governor recently floated a trial balloon about issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants on the premise that it would at least let us know where they are. After what my own kids had to go through to get their state IDs and driver's licenses---they had to provide birth certificates, Social Security cards, proof of residence, as well as at least one photo ID (will someone please tell me how the heck you are supposed to produce photo ID if no one will issue you photo ID without photo ID?)---I was outraged!

    Then Hispanic activist groups had the gall to be upset when the idea sank faster than the Titanic and the governor abandoned it. I'm sorry, but if you come into this country illegally, refuse to go through the process of obtaining the necessary documentation, make a point of NOT learning the dominant language, and then demand special rights..........well, there's something really wrong with that. Most of the Hispanic people I grew up around wouldn't have dreamed of acting this way---they worked hard for everything they had, took pride in their culture, but also were grateful to be Americans. They did their best to learn American customs and language while at the same time remaining true to their own rich heritage. And they didn't ask for handouts.
    Since when isn't the place you live your home? Has the definition of that word changed?
  4. by   HeyJude
    Quote from mjlrn97
    Uhh..........no. This is not their home, although it could be if they'd enter this country legally and go through the proper channels.

    I grew up in southern California and lived among the Hispanic population for the first 30 years of my life. I've visited Mexico. I speak the language, and I hold Mexican culture in high regard. I know perfectly well why poor Latinos come to America........I've seen the desperate conditions they live in, and I don't blame them for wanting better for their families.

    But I also don't believe in rewarding people for breaking our laws. Right here in Oregon, our governor recently floated a trial balloon about issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants on the premise that it would at least let us know where they are. After what my own kids had to go through to get their state IDs and driver's licenses---they had to provide birth certificates, Social Security cards, proof of residence, as well as at least one photo ID (will someone please tell me how the heck you are supposed to produce photo ID if no one will issue you photo ID without photo ID?)---I was outraged!

    Then Hispanic activist groups had the gall to be upset when the idea sank faster than the Titanic and the governor abandoned it. I'm sorry, but if you come into this country illegally, refuse to go through the process of obtaining the necessary documentation, make a point of NOT learning the dominant language, and then demand special rights..........well, there's something really wrong with that. Most of the Hispanic people I grew up around wouldn't have dreamed of acting this way---they worked hard for everything they had, took pride in their culture, but also were grateful to be Americans. They did their best to learn American customs and language while at the same time remaining true to their own rich heritage. And they didn't ask for handouts.
    My biggest issue is that there is no proper channel for the whopping majority of these people to go through to get here legally. A generation or two a go it wasn't so difficult, not even for Mexicans. Now, it's virtually impossible. It's reasonable to ask something of people that they can do. But when there's no provision in the law for them to come here legally in the first place nor legalize once they get here, what are they supposed to do?

    ETA - MBANurse, it actually WAS because he didn't have a car. Just to put the subject to a well-deserved rest.
  5. by   VivaLasViejas
    Um.........stay where they are and try to make things better there??

    Look, I'm not against caring for people---otherwise, why would I be a nurse?---but I think America has enough poor, uninsured, undereducated, underprivileged people of its own, and we need to see to our own problems before we go trying to solve everyone else's. We simply don't have the room or the resources to take care of the entire world.

    I'm done. I think.
    Last edit by VivaLasViejas on Jan 14, '08
  6. by   Simplepleasures
    There should be road markers along the path to citizenship, I think it is imperative that they learn the language and pass an English exam.

    Better attempts at assimilation, drop the demands for bilingual classes. My brother and sister did not speak a word of English when we came to America, they were in 1st grade and kindergarten, they learned English and FAST, they helped the rest of the family learn English too.

    I think some folks are put off by the groups that fly the Mexican flag above the US flag, its wrong to accept the benefits your adopted country gives, but not be willing to be a full citizen and American first.My family considers themselves to be American of German heritage.

    I do think this is their home if they have lived and worked here for over 10 years and have children born here who are American citizens by birth right.It is not feasible to deport millions of people.
  7. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from ingelein
    There should be road markers along the path to citizenship, I think it is imperative that they learn the language and pass an English exam.

    Better attempts at assimilation, drop the demands for bilingual classes. My brother and sister did not speak a word of English when we came to America, they were in 1st grade and kindergarten, they learned English and FAST, they helped the rest of the family learn English too.

    I think some folks are put off by the groups that fly the Mexican flag above the US flag, its wrong to accept the benefits your adopted country gives, but not be willing to be a full citizen and American first.My family considers themselves to be American of German heritage.

    I do think this is their home if they have lived and worked here for over 10 years and have children born here who are American citizens by birth right.It is not feasible to deport millions of people.
    I still maintain that home is defined by the occupant. I just don't think legality enters into the definition of that concept.
  8. by   VivaLasViejas
    And what I say is, being in a country illegally doesn't make it one's home any more than sitting in a henhouse makes one a chicken.

    Okay, NOW I'm done.
  9. by   MBANurse
    Quote from HeyJude
    ETA - MBANurse, it actually WAS because he didn't have a car. Just to put the subject to a well-deserved rest.
    Ok... sorry then.
    He definately should have been sent back to mexico then... post haste
  10. by   MBANurse
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Since when isn't the place you live your home? Has the definition of that word changed?
    Well lets see places that I have "lived" for over a year that would never be called "home".

    Korea, Iraq, Kuwait

    Places that I have "lived" for at least a month that would never be called home.

    Panama, Scotland, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee... or anyplace that I will be temporarily for whatever time period before I return to where "home" is.
  11. by   HeyJude
    I have a question. I'm just throwing it out there.
    Do you think Native Americans ever sat around having this exact same discussion about the invading hordes of colonists?
    People who:
    - for the most part, forced their language(s) on the Native Americans, not vice versa;
    - did not stay in their countries of origin to try and better their situations;
    - did not ask permission of the peoples already living here before taking over their land, their possessions, and their wives
    - spread all kinds of diseases; and
    - planted their flag anywhere they darn well pleased - "claiming the land for England (or Spain, or France, or...)

    I'm not saying we here are to blame for their actions. Just pointing out that these are not new problems, and that 'they' eventually become 'us.'
  12. by   MBANurse
    Actually... Native Americans fought back to the best of their ability. There was a whole series of Indian Wars from Colonization to Ante-Bellum Civil War. The european settlers often had tried to make things better in their own countries only to be tossed out. THey also had technology and weapons that allowed them to beat the Natives here.

    SO just throwing this out there...
    Should we take the same approach that Native Americans did? Wage war against the invaders?
  13. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from MBANurse
    Well lets see places that I have "lived" for over a year that would never be called "home".

    Korea, Iraq, Kuwait

    Places that I have "lived" for at least a month that would never be called home.

    Panama, Scotland, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee... or anyplace that I will be temporarily for whatever time period before I return to where "home" is.
    Once again, you twist my words. I said that the occupant defines their home. If you didn't consider Korea your home, then fine. Perhaps that was because you weren't planning to live there indefinitely.

    As much as some of you would like to manipulate the meaning of the word, you don't get to assign the notion of "home" to anyone other than yourselves. You don't want this to be their home. That's not the same as it not being so.

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