Is Health Care a Right? - page 29

Just want to see your opinion (friendly discussion, no flaming, please). Is health care a right that should be enjoyed equally here in the U.S.? If so, how would this be financed without breaking... Read More

  1. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Originally posted by JMP
    MotherBabyRN

    Susy and Kevin appear to lead the right side and from some of the private messages I get, lots disagree, but don't (for reasons I don't quite understand) want to disagree in public. To those people I would say, take heart...BE STRONG. Don't fear standing up for what you REALLY believe in.

    .
    From what I have seen posted by these two poeple, as well as the rest of the board, I say you are preaching to the choir here, almost to the point of redundancy. We all feel strongly one way or the other, and I agree that free discourse is always great as long as it's productive and does not take an insulting slant. And no, not only Canadians hold the beliefs you hold dear....many of here us in the USA (and in many other countries) do, too, to the point of real frustration. It's been an interesting thread, to say the least.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Feb 5, '03
  2. by   JMP
    BLue eyes

    You are right in saying that it is not just a Canadian point of view. I was trying to make the point that I already live in an enviroment that supports and fosters universal health care.

    I can only imagine your frustration..... I really do feel for those affected and left behind.
  3. by   researchrabbit
    A lot of people look at this issue as "I don't want to pay for someone else." If you have health insurance, you are already paying for someone else.

    I pay $250/month for myself alone. But, I go the the MD twice a year at most. I take one very inexpensive prescription medication. I pay out of pocket for the flu shot that I get each year. Yet (unlike my homeowner's insurance) I get no price break for being a non-smoker, non-drinker, and being fit enough to bike 20 miles twice a week. The $3000 a year that I pay does not BEGIN to reflect the services I use, and have used for the past 10 years. People who can afford health insurance are not always responsible with the services they use, either.

    If we didn't have the crazy quilt system that we have, and if there were dialogue on what universal healthcare would cover, betcha we could make it work for less than most of us pay into our for-profit systems now.

    JMP, one reason people may not want to argue this is that this is a board that is a social and professional outlet -- and it is a heck of a lot of fun! It's not always fun or comfortable to argue with people you feel are your friends, and this thread has had its heated moments.
  4. by   JMP
    ReseachRabbit

    My point was that rather than send me PM's about how glad "they" are that someone is standing up to the "rightside" of this board... people could do the same. Friends can agree to disagree, state points, make their honest feelings known and still come back together to debate and discuss fun and professional issues. It does not have to take the form of arguments.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Originally posted by JMP
    ReseachRabbit

    My point was that rather than send me PM's about how glad "they" are that someone is standing up to the "rightside" of this board... people could do the same. Friends can agree to disagree, state points, make their honest feelings known and still come back together to debate and discuss fun and professional issues. It does not have to take the form of arguments.
    ABSOLUTELY! That is what I was trying to say. And I agree, we are ALREADY PAYING FOR OTHERS......why not do so in a more efficient way in the way of preventive health care for EVERYONE? And I agree, EVERYONE at all capable should HAVE to contribute one way or the other. It seems like a no-brainer to me...you can't just let things go on the way they are. But I don't believe turning our backs on our neediest is the answer...all while getting ready to wage a VERY costly (human and economically) war very soon. I guess I am naive. I just don't get this country and our attitudes sometimes!
  6. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by JMP
    My point was that rather than send me PM's about how glad "they" are that someone is standing up to the "rightside" of this board... people could do the same. Friends can agree to disagree, state points, make their honest feelings known and still come back together to debate and discuss fun and professional issues. It does not have to take the form of arguments.
    It was just a guess on my part as to why someone might not take part. I agree that friends can agree to disagree, but it makes some anxious and stressed (that was me, 20 years ago; although I'm much braver now, the anxiety is still there).

    I know I sometimes have a hard time jumping in when there are so many people on this board who debate so well (I know I don't !).

    I hope everyone who feels strongly about the topic will come and play too! The more, the merrier.
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I think you do WONDERFULLY, Research. Don't short-change your skills. Not everyone is a whiz-bang debater such as a Suzy or Kevin, but each has a valuable point of view to contribute and I read them all. Sometimes I surprise myself and LEARN SOMETHING when I keep my mind open. Especially when what is said is done respectfully and without malice. Your eloquence is MORE than adequate, but it's the respectful way in which you submit your opinions that grabs me the most. That I appreciate. ----IMO.
  8. by   JMP
    Totally agree with above post! 100 percent.
  9. by   Q.
    My point was that rather than send me PM's about how glad "they" are that someone is standing up to the "rightside" of this board...
    Standing up? To two people? I think you are villifying us which I don't think is fair or accurate.

    Secondly, I also think you are inaccurately describing the political bend of the board. I, as well, get PMs stating that they agree with me but don't have as much energy, if you will, as I to continue to post.
    Last edit by Susy K on Feb 5, '03
  10. by   Q.
    As a side note.... as I read these boards, especially this thread it is so apparent to me ( must be to others also) that so many of the debates fall on the left and right of issues. Health care, as an issue, seems to have the right side cheering for people working for their own health care and the working poor, old and sick can fend for themselves..... while the left tries to argue that every one deserves health care as a fundamental right, regardless.
    I also don't think this is accurate either.
    I can't speak entirely for Kevin, but yes, I applaud responsibility. But more so to the point of this healthcare debate that no one has answered, and Kevin has asked numerous times in various ways, when does it end? Where do those "rights" stop? At what point do you realize, "huh, these rights that I grant Group A are actually infringing on Group B's rights. " When do you stop? What health care is a right? Preventative services? Education? Flu shots? Or state of the art technology? Transplants? Grafting? Fetal surgery? Who pays for that?
  11. by   Nurse Ratched
    I don't think it's fair to suggest that this is a right/left issue. I'm considered pretty left wing on a lot of issues by most of my friends. Actually, my stance is that I don't want gov't in my business, personal or otherwise, but neither do I expect gov't to play parent (divying up our allowances...)
  12. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    it's the respectful way in which you submit your opinions that grabs me the most. That I appreciate. ----IMO.
    Thank you -- that is a wonderful compliment.
  13. by   JMP
    Susy

    To answer your question- when does it stop? Once again, I remind you that I live in an enviroment that fosters and supports universal health care. I work in a large teaching hospital, in an ICU.

    Every person in this country has a right to health care... and gets it. The system is set up so that all reasonable efforts to keep people healthy and when they do fall ill- they are treated. No one goes without, worries about a future if faced with illness and people have surgeries. Some things, like plastic surgeries, are not covered, of course. Citizens wishing elective surgeries, like a face lift, for example, pay out of their pockets.

    Flu shots are covered by our health care system, as are check ups, hospital visits, etc. Granted it is not perfect. Our system has flaws. However, as I have stated many times, to me, it is peferable over seeing my fellow citizens without coverage.

    I am proud of our system and I am proud to work in the system. I believe in preventaive medicine, screening, mother-baby visits, etc etc. Donors ( accident victims mostly) have come to our ICU and are harvested for transplants- all covered by our universal health care system.

    I believe in responsible health care. Canadians need to treat our system with respect. Some abuse it, some use it more than others, some hardly ever go near it.....but it is always there.

    Where does it end? Hopefully with universal health care for your great nation. IT would be a wonderful start------not end.

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