Importing Foreign-trained nurses - page 8

Importing Foreign-trained Nurses Comparison of Pending Legislation on Nursing Immigration Issues 11/05/01 "The American Nurses Association (ANA) has posted a chart which compares two bills... Read More

  1. by   Larry
    My wife is a Filipina nurse, and also her sister. They both work in the UK. They have adapted well to their new paradigm. They both work in a Nursing Home as RGNs and are well-accepted by the establishment.

    Filipino nurses have good opportunities within UK to be treated as equals in our society. Indeed in UK we have a multi-ethnic culture.



    see http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/
    http://www.nhs.uk/workingforthenhs/default.asp
  2. by   Mijourney
    Hi. I think -jt is right on the money in regards to the nursing crises in the states. IMO, nurses coming from other countries to the states to work does not offend me. It does offend me when my government or administration actively pursues foreign workers when they won't solve the problem in their back yards. The question is why do we have a nursing shortage in the first place? It's not a simple answer. But, those who own, operate, or manage hospitals and other types of patient care settings refuse to look the issue straight in the eye.

    In regards to the language barrier, I do get self-conscious around those who speak other languages besides English. I also feel a little strange around others who may have a different English dialect then mine. One way to help some of the self-consciousness, IMO, is to learn another culture and language.
  3. by   tchachakis@aol.com
    jt- thanks - theresa. you will be identified as " one of over 2000 hits in a five day peroid on a national nurses bullitien board"
    heh heh I have so many refrences for this paper.
  4. by   reggiedoc
    Hey Larry,

    Good to hear from you again. It is encouraging to hear that the Filipina nurses are acclimating well in the U.K.! My first cousin left for London this past year and she is doing well. She is getting married next year in the Philippines. I am also happily married to a Filipina nurse from Quezon, Philippines. I met her in the nursing home I used to work for. Anyway, I wish you the best this holiday season. Again, salamat! God bless your nursing endeavors.

    Sincerely,
    Reggie
  5. by   NurseDennie
    I agree with your point, Mijourney. I also think: The more nurses the better! But that's not true when nurses come here and are used the way some of my friends have been used. It's not good for THEM for sure, and it's not good for the nursing situation at all.

    As far as the Filippina nurses not speaking English - I didn't really run into that at all. I was the ONLY non-Filippina in the group, and it did take a bit of adjustment on everybody's part. It's hard to beat down that paranoid feeling that maybe they're saying something about ME. But, I know it's a lot easier and more relaxing to speak in your own language! As we got closer and had more to say to each other, they spoke English as we shared breaks, and in less-busy times. And I picked up a word or phrase here and there. When I ever get to have grandkids, I want them to call me Lola, which is the Philippina word for grandmother. I can't stand the thought of being "granny" (EWWWwwww) and Grandmama is too long... I like "Lola" Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets! (G)

    Love

    Dennie
  6. by   -jt
    Just an aside here:

    There is an intern at my hospital who is a member of a Middle Eastern royal family. On her first day in my ICU, (which was 2 weeks after Sept 11), she marched right into the managers office, informed her that she is a "princess in my country & I expect to be treated a certain way". Then she told each of us one by one the same thing. Additionally, she refuses to speak in English - rather speaking to other interns/residents in their language & having them relay whatever she wants to say to us. She writes orders & leaves them at the bedside rather than talk to us about them - anything to avoid speaking English or speaking directly to the "servants". One nurse had had enough & said to her "you may be a princess in your country but youre in America now & we have certain expectations for the way we are to be treated too"

    Lo & behold, this intern wrote a discrimination complaint to the hospital against this nurse because she stated "you may be a princess in your country..." All that nurse did was quote back to the intern what the intern had already said to her & the rest of us a million times. Now the intern is trying to make a federal case out of it - claiming discrimination.
  7. by   mopsi
    Now that story brings out the grouchy in me.....

    am I the only one who wants to say"DISCRIMINATE THIS PRINCESS" okay I vented.........
  8. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Originally posted by Mijourney

    In regards to the language barrier, I do get self-conscious around those who speak other languages besides English. I also feel a little strange around others who may have a different English dialect then mine. One way to help some of the self-consciousness, IMO, is to learn another culture and language.
    At my job I took the time to learn a muslim salutation that is equivalent to "merry christmas" so I think taking the time to learn a little bit about other cultures is a very good exercise in personal growth and goes a long way to make someone feel welcome.
    I work with two muslims who forget and start talking in thier native dialect because it's comfortable(as Reggiedoc stated). I walk up to them and politely interrupt and point out that there are people all around them that may think it strange that they are not speaking english. Customers come and go, but nothing short of a loud fart clears out a store faster than that.

    My manager, who is from Pakistan, doesn't seem to care about his communication problem, but he does care if he drives away his income and takes the conversation in the back.

    Which brings me to my point.
    I find that his lack of english writing and speaking skills affect our communication seriousely.
    It took four months for me to get direct deposit of my paychecks. At first he didn't really understand what I wanted but filed requests anyway in a galant attempt. The home office didn't get it, sent it back, wanted corrections, had him send it again..........Then they requested I fill it out, which I did and placed it in a pre-addressed envolope for him to mail. This same excersise in futility was carried out with a request for bonus money I never recieved.
    The fact is, this wasn't life threatening, but it could have been in the right circumstance. Our language barrier has cost me bonus money on occasion for lack of correct information, but I don't see it as being maliciouse.
    He speaks and writes english differently. He's a good guy and is always fair in his dealings with me, but there is a communication barrier that affects operations here. The numbers he writes, for instance, don't make sense and I have to call him and ask what they mean. He doesn't write too fast, he just doesn't care to learn the correct way. I have to ask him, sometimes more than once, to repeat what he said and sometimes misunderstand. It's not life threatening, but we have missed some important communications because of it. You can see how that would be detrimental in a healthcare setting wouldn't you?
    He has just passed the ten year mark with the company. He has been in America for more than that. He has had PLENTY of time to learn english and observe the way numbers are written and listen to how the words are pronounced. He just doesn't care.
    He's more comfortable with his native tounge. He just doesn't care if he makes people uncomfortable or miscommunicates. He's not a rude person otherwise. It actually works in my favor on occasion when he has to manage personel. It's not like the guy can communicate a memo or anything.

    I think that's what it comes down to.
    Do you want to try to understand this guy in a code?
    At report for allergies?
    Administering anesthesia?
    Trying to figure out a vacation schedule?(<<this could be seriouse)
    He's not a nurse or a doc, but he is plenty smart enough to be one.....................Here is the most hilariouse thing about it.............He's only a few hours from getting his MBA
    No....I'm compleatly seriouse. That's what he says. He's an honest person, not prone to fibbing and given the current opportunities for government assistance I can compleatly see how this could happen.
    I think the "thesis thing" is possibly a roadblock eh?

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