HEY GOP: Attacking Hillary Isn't a Health Plan - page 5

when even a magazine called "the american conservative" counsels] the republican presidential candidates that they can't live on hillary-hate alone, something is happening. as nurses fighting for... Read More

  1. by   pickledpepperRN
    I have read SO MANY threads here at allnurses where nurses were once helped by food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, and charities. They went on to serve others in our most trusted and respected profession.

    I do not belive sick people going to the doctor promotes curruption.
  2. by   CRNA2007
    Needing a little assistance is one thing, but cradle to grave health care at the expense of others is ridiculous. I provide fo rmy family and I expect others to provide for theirs. It is not my responsibility to provide my neighbors health care nor his to provide mine. If someone has to work 60 hours a week to make ends meet, then that is what they need to do. We simply cannot afford the "entitlements" in this country any more. If the democrats want to pay for children's health care (up to age 25 for now) then let them get the money from another program that already exists, but is a dismal failure. I'm sure there is more than one to choose from.


    Quote from spacenurse
    I have read SO MANY threads here at allnurses where nurses were once helped by food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, and charities. They went on to serve others in our most trusted and respected profession.

    I do not belive sick people going to the doctor promotes curruption.
  3. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from crna2007
    needing a little assistance is one thing, but cradle to grave health care at the expense of others is ridiculous. i provide fo rmy family and i expect others to provide for theirs. it is not my responsibility to provide my neighbors health care nor his to provide mine. if someone has to work 60 hours a week to make ends meet, then that is what they need to do. we simply cannot afford the "entitlements" in this country any more. if the democrats want to pay for children's health care (up to age 25 for now) then let them get the money from another program that already exists, but is a dismal failure. i'm sure there is more than one to choose from.
    the purpose of insurance is to spread the risk of loss that is beyond the capacity of any family to bear. your argument appears to indicate that you don't believe in the value of group insurance. the reality is that we are all only one illness or catastrophic injury away from bankruptcy.

    please see:
    the issue about what to do with the health-care system is sometimes presented as a technical argument about the merits of one kind of coverage over another or as an ideological argument about socialized versus private medicine. it is, instead, about a few very simple questions. do you think that this kind of redistribution of risk is a good idea? do you think that people whose genes predispose them to depression or cancer, or whose poverty complicates asthma or diabetes, or who get hit by a drunk driver, or who have to keep their mouths closed because their teeth are rotting ought to bear a greater share of the costs of their health care than those of us who are lucky enough to escape such misfortunes? in the rest of the industrialized world, it is assumed that the more equally and widely the burdens of illness are shared, the better off the population as a whole is likely to be. the reason the united states has forty-five million people without coverage is that its health-care policy is in the hands of people who disagree, and who regard health insurance not as the solution but as the problem.
    source: http://www.gladwell.com/2005/2005_08_29_a_hazard.html accessed 10/28/2007.

    self sufficiency is a good goal. however, we all live in society together. at some level we have a mutual and shared responsibility to each other to establish social conditions that facilitate the maximum opportunity for success. good health is a key condition.

    i challenge everyone to read:



    it will challenge all of your assumptions about health care and shared responsibility.
  4. by   HM2VikingRN
  5. by   CRNA2007
    Group insurance is fine I just don't want to pay for someone else's insurance. Like I reiterated there is no reason all you advocating universal health care cannot break out your checkbooks today and send the money to the federal government. So when you can show me your cancelled checks then we can have a meaningful discussion on the topic. I want all of you advocating single payer system to start sending $300/month to the federal government to pay for someone else's health care prescription drugs and what not.




    Quote from HM2Viking
    The purpose of insurance is to spread the risk of loss that is beyond the capacity of any family to bear. Your argument appears to indicate that you don't believe in the value of group insurance. The reality is that we are all only one illness or catastrophic injury away from bankruptcy.
  6. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from CRNA2007
    Group insurance is fine I just don't want to pay for someone else's insurance. Like I reiterated there is no reason all you advocating universal health care cannot break out your checkbooks today and send the money to the federal government. So when you can show me your cancelled checks then we can have a meaningful discussion on the topic. I want all of you advocating single payer system to start sending $300/month to the federal government to pay for someone else's health care prescription drugs and what not.
    :roll:roll:chuckle:roll:chuckle:
    The government does not have a single payer system yet, silly.

    Seriously, that is why people like me contribute money and time to free clinics and missions.

    I sometimes volunteer at the Union Rescue Mission. Many veterans are homeless. Often after head injuries.- http://www.urm.org/site/c.hqLQI1OCKn...y_Services.htm

    The Los Angeles Free Clinic used to be located on Fairfax. As a volunteer I learned to take vital signs there in 1968 - http://www.lafreeclinic.org/who.htm
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Oct 28, '07 : Reason: spelling and trouble with smilies
  7. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from CRNA2007
    Group insurance is fine I just don't want to pay for someone else's insurance. Like I reiterated there is no reason all you advocating universal health care cannot break out your checkbooks today and send the money to the federal government. So when you can show me your cancelled checks then we can have a meaningful discussion on the topic. I want all of you advocating single payer system to start sending $300/month to the federal government to pay for someone else's health care prescription drugs and what not.
    I'll do that as soon as you send your check in to support the Iraq war effort, the funding of roads and bridges, the FDA, the U.N., CDC, student loans and grants programs, school lunch program, food stamps, etc and so forth...
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    I'm looking at my most recent pay stub. Federal income withholding was $591.71.

    This does not include Medicare or social security insurance which totaled $334.92. I am glad to pay for these insurance programs. I may die and never collect Social Security or use Medicare health insurance. If that happens other Americans will benefit from my participation.
    Then again I may live to 100. Hopefully then I won't have to die homeless on the street because SS and Medicare will allow for basic needs.

    So why not let working people buy into Medicare?
    It is much more efficient already than private insurance.
  9. by   HM2VikingRN
    CR for an educated person I think you are deliberately ignoring the definition of insurance. Insurance is the pooling of money by individuals to protect against risk of loss beyond the capacity of any person or family to bear on their own and/or to reduce the risk of hardship. Each of us is paying for the health care of ourselves and others. A tax based single payer system would result in lower net cost for each of us and result in wall to wall coverage for all people living in the US.
    Last edit by HM2VikingRN on Oct 28, '07
  10. by   CRNA2007
    Wow, your family would allow you to die homeless and on the streets?Interesting...



    Quote from spacenurse
    I'm looking at my most recent pay stub. Federal income withholding was $591.71.

    This does not include Medicare or social security insurance which totaled $334.92. I am glad to pay for these insurance programs. I may die and never collect Social Security or use Medicare health insurance. If that happens other Americans will benefit from my participation.
    Then again I may live to 100. Hopefully then I won't have to die homeless on the street because SS and Medicare will allow for basic needs.

    So why not let working people buy into Medicare?
    It is much more efficient already than private insurance.
  11. by   Yosemite, RN
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    Quote from Yosemite, RN
    Yosemite RN:
    How can a battered woman, who now lives in a safe place with her children, working, saving for a place of their own, I.E. struggling for self improvement,
    be categorized as breeding corruption, complacancy and mediocracy in this country?
    A: Obviously, someone in THAT position, cannot. On the other hand, what happened to her WAS NOT MY FAULT. Again, what happened to her WAS NOT MY FAULT. I should have the right to contribute as much of my income to her plight as I can or care to. Also, do I not have the right to NOT contribute if I so desire? What about MY rights?

    I can only guess what comes next... somehow, it will be my fault and/or my opinion MUST be attacked. Of course, liberals/socialists/communists cannot STAND to allow anyone else to have an opinion other than theirs.
  12. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from CRNA2007
    Wow, your family would allow you to die homeless and on the streets?Interesting...
    I'm glad you have a supportive family CRNA2007, but not everyone is so fortunate.
  13. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from jlsRN
    I'm glad you have a supportive family CRNA2007, but not everyone is so fortunate.
    And it's not their fault either!

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